trying to lighten the stick for flying force trimmed helos When I change it in "effects" and not in

trying to lighten the stick for flying force trimmed helos
When I change it in "effects" and not in "settings" the stiffness of the stick does not change
I have to change the "settings" slider as well. Is this accurate?

SwiftVengeance•3/11/23, 6:44 AM

SwiftVengeance•3/11/23, 6:45 AM

these settings are bad with the ah64D

KKhangirey trying to lighten the stick for flying force trimmed helos When I change it in "...

walmis•3/11/23, 7:01 AM

Yeah, the spring effect in "effects" tab adjusts the spring when no FFB game is running. So you have to use the slider or the potentiometer if bound to spring adjustment.

SwiftVengeance•3/11/23, 8:45 AM

SwiftVengeance•3/11/23, 8:46 AM

im running this external software that lets me choose the effects for when im trimming and when centering. hat up trim and hat down reset trim to center

SwiftVengeance•3/11/23, 8:48 AM

works quiet well. I would say its much more comfortable then the dcs apache one because when you trim it doesn't instantly cause you to loose all forces which turns into a jerky movement and it fixes the problem with the lag since you can use regular joystick mode and you only trim in this software

AndyHill•3/11/23, 1:22 PM

That's actually a very good idea. Some kind of friction or dampening stuff while force trim is happening is probably nice to have

TheAmazinGreat•3/11/23, 8:50 PM

@walmis, I'm making progress on the Arduino slave to send analog data via the shift register. I've got the shift register and an arduino slave talking to the debug console using the Generic Grip (Debug) setting. Buttons are working and I can get it to send some axis data but I'm still figuring how to get that data into the right bytes. My question is, if I want to have 4 axes do I need to emulate the signal to be the same as the VPC Constellation Alpha/Prime? Is there a way to make a custom grip so I don't have to reverse engineer the VPC bit math?

TheAmazinGreat•3/12/23, 7:01 AM

This is the main issue I am having getting the data into the correct bytes. When I plug/unplug the USB it changes the position of my axis input on the debug lines.

TTheAmazinGreat @walmis, I'm making progress on the Arduino slave to send analog data via the s...

walmis•3/12/23, 9:37 AM

Hey, you can use the WinWing adapter profile:

walmis•3/12/23, 9:39 AM

union {
  struct {
   uint8_t buttons[7];
   uint8_t reserved;
   int16_t axis[4]; // range 0..4096, center at 2048
  } __attribute((packed));
  uint8_t data[16];
 } ;

union {
  struct {
   uint8_t buttons[7];
   uint8_t reserved;
   int16_t axis[4]; // range 0..4096, center at 2048
  } __attribute((packed));
  uint8_t data[16];
 } ;

TTheAmazinGreat This is the main issue I am having getting the data into the correct bytes. When...

walmis•3/12/23, 9:42 AM

My guess is you need to setup an interrupt on the ~CS line falling edge to reload the buffer/counter to transmit over SPI

ddrake1984•3/12/23, 9:58 AM

I have a weird bug, this image does not go away

walmis•3/12/23, 9:59 AM

X does not close it?

ddrake1984•3/12/23, 10:00 AM

neg

walmis•3/12/23, 10:02 AM

no idea, something's up with MS Edge

Wwalmis Yeah, the spring effect in "effects" tab adjusts the spring when no FFB game is ...

KhangireyOP•3/12/23, 10:09 AM

Thanks. So as I understand, the effects tab doesn't affect DCS in any way? It doesn't matter whether I have various options checkmarked, they will work regardless?

KKhangirey Thanks. So as I understand, the effects tab doesn't affect DCS in any way? It do...

walmis•3/12/23, 10:12 AM

Spring is overridden by DCS, however Damper and others will work, since DCS doesn't control the damper effect for example.
The whole idea is to make the stick work as a regular springed/damped stick that you set it in the configurator when no FFB aware programs are controlling it.

Wwalmis Spring is overridden by DCS, however Damper and others will work, since DCS does...

KhangireyOP•3/12/23, 10:13 AM

Gotcha. So otherwise, Damper will still as as a multiplier (ex 50%x100%) between the two tabs

walmis•3/12/23, 10:14 AM

yep

TheAmazinGreat•3/12/23, 12:55 PM

Thanks Walmis I’ll give it a try!

Wwalmis Hey, you can use the WinWing adapter profile:

TheAmazinGreat•3/12/23, 6:49 PM

https://tenor.com/view/working-anakin-starwars-gif-4653092

Tenor

Sskeleton negative the config is saved to your base afaik, so the stick doesn't know of th...

Hotshot•3/13/23, 6:42 AM

Oh... that's unfortunate. But makes sense, as the base has the space for the controller and memory, I guess

Smorgus•3/15/23, 4:31 AM

I just applied reverse polarity to the motor. How screwed am I?

Smorgus•3/15/23, 4:34 AM

Seems I just blew this guy (diode top right)

Smorgus•3/15/23, 4:34 AM

I assume I can just replace that diode and call it a day?

walmis•3/15/23, 5:01 AM

Oh jeez, reverse polarity could kill most ICs, depends on luck. That TVS took the most of it. You can try unsoldering it and checking for shorts on 5V and 3V3 lines to GND.

Smorgus•3/15/23, 5:10 AM

I got lucky, it all works

Smorgus•3/15/23, 5:10 AM

I’ve just eaten up the reverse polarity diode, so I just can’t make the same mistake again

ddrake1984•3/15/23, 6:06 AM

ooh, lucky duck

ddrake1984•3/15/23, 6:06 AM

I guess.. lucky chicken

Polack-1•3/15/23, 8:51 AM

Damn lucky

SSmorgus I just applied reverse polarity to the motor. How screwed am I?

peachmonkey•3/15/23, 7:27 PM

reversing the polarity only seems to work in startrek

Ppeachmonkey reversing the polarity only seems to work in startrek 😄

smitty•3/15/23, 7:39 PM

and ghostbusters

TheAmazinGreat•3/15/23, 11:52 PM

Got everything wired up to bench test and I am getting smooth movement in the motors like the anti-cogging is working but not getting any signal to the VP-Force Software that I can tell. X, Y, dx, dy, etc are all "-" and do not change when plugged into USB or with power on. Is there a setting I am missing before I can start seeing input from the board?

TheAmazinGreat•3/16/23, 12:16 AM

Figured it out, hardware issue.

TTheAmazinGreat Figured it out, hardware issue.

walmis•3/16/23, 5:07 AM

Glad you solved it! What was the issue?

TTheAmazinGreat Figured it out, hardware issue.

Havebug•3/16/23, 6:28 AM

I'm interested too, how'd you solved?

KhangireyOP•3/16/23, 8:58 AM

idk if this is part of the telemetry or dcs, but with the SU-25, when you extend the airbrake, the stick "clicks" back and forth weirdly. It doesn't feel like a normal effect, feels like a bug

KKhangirey idk if this is part of the telemetry or dcs, but with the SU-25, when you extend...

walmis•3/16/23, 10:03 AM

Yeah I recall this, DCS bug

Wwalmis Glad you solved it! What was the issue?

TheAmazinGreat•3/16/23, 12:27 PM

Motor signal wires needed to be swapped on one end of the plugs. I noticed on the board the plug was B/A and on the motor the plug was A/B. Cable needed to have a crossover between the two plugs to get A/A and B/B to match.

Havebug•3/16/23, 12:50 PM

were you using the cables that come with the kit or did you build them by yourself?

skyPickle•3/16/23, 1:10 PM

is the next version of vpconfigurator (with the 'stick to trimmer mode' button option) on a scheduled release?

SskyPickle is the next version of vpconfigurator (with the 'stick to trimmer mode' button o...

walmis•3/16/23, 1:15 PM

Yes, almost there

HHavebug were you using the cables that come with the kit or did you build them by yourse...

TheAmazinGreat•3/16/23, 1:21 PM

The cables as supplied with the kit. I went back and looked at pics of other kits and they have it configured with the crossover as I mentioned. Based on that I think mine is an isolated issue but probably fair to say if you DIY then just double check.

Wwalmis Yes, almost there

amadeus•3/16/23, 7:05 PM

hype!

Hextopia•3/16/23, 9:22 PM

I'm having a weird issue where the Rhino base is no longer recognized as a USB device by windows

Hextopia•3/16/23, 9:24 PM

When I plug it in, I get the normal beeps from the base, but windows throws an error saying the device isn't recognized (Device Descriptor Request Failed)

Hextopia•3/16/23, 9:25 PM

It briefly showed up in the FFB configurator earlier today when I was trying out different USB ports to see if I could get one to recognize it, but it went back to not being recognized again shortly thereafter, and crashed the configurator in the process

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