Thanks. Would love to hear from @walmis on what the adapter entails. I'd be super stoked if full fun
Thanks. Would love to hear from @walmis on what the adapter entails. I'd be super stoked if full functionality is retained on my WW F-16 grip.
PWalmis has made a telemetry app that reads the aircraft telemetry from DCS & sends that to the Rhino for FFB effects on every aircraft. The Rhino is extremely precise, it has a huge amount of throw that you can restrict with software endstops per aircraft profile to your desire, a few of us are looking into or have already made physical endstops. Do you fly with an extension? depending on the Rhino's mounted height you can get away without an extension due to the huge throw & the fact the Rhino basically has a small extension built in. Like swapping from any stick/base you'll likely have a bit of an adjustment period to get used to the new stick/base, I was using the VKB Gunfighter III base prior to upgrading to the Rhino & I can adjust the software settings on the Rhino to make it feel just like the Gunfighter III base in relation to spring force, dampener & throw length. The Rhino can use any grip from TM, Virpil, WW or VKB, WW & VKB require the adapters Walmis makes VKB's being a passthrough design. I can't recommend the VPforce Rhino enough it really is an awesome bit of kit.
AI had the CM3 prior to getting the rhino -- and one thing I can say -- it's basically no comparison. The rhino is miles better in every way: has a longer throw, in cases where the game doesn't support force feedback, you can tune the friction and damping in a way that feels infinitely better than the CM3s dry clutch, it feels super smooth, If i'm really trying to find nit picks with the rhino -- it's maybe that sometimes the leather pinches at the edges, and i kinda wish it maybe had a circular end stop instead of square? (could probably 3d print or make a replacement though). But with most FFB implementations i've found i rarely hit the end stops when flying (it's something the force feedback helps to train you not to do). TL;DR: assuming this thing lasts forever (and it's built like a tank), i'll never go back (if walmis releases a Rhino v2 i'll be first in line for it xD)
Pyeah these are all the effects I've been getting, it also adds ETL for the Huey & Ka50 I believe as well.
PAlso like amadeus said above me, any time you play a game without ffb the stick can still be set up to feel so much better than any other base I've used, the inertia & dampening make so much difference. I also have to say if you enjoy flying heli's you will absolutely love flying them with the Rhino, having ffb for the force trim makes it feel so much better it's hard to explain just how much better it feels. Also flying anything like a warbird (IL2 BoS) or GA bush planes (MSFS2020) feels unbelievably better & flying anything feels more precise & immersive.
KThank you guys. You've got me sold!
KI do have a 200 mm extension on the cm3 and I ordered the physical stops for the rhino
KI may not need the extension though given the height of the rhino
KUsing an alpha grip from virpil
KAlso have the tm warthog grip
Athe only downside to an extension is that the the force required to move the stick at the highest levels is easier, it already has a massive amount of throw, i think i have like a 75mm extension on it, and it feels huge (i did order the 200mm curved one from virpil, but not sure i'll even need/want to use it yet
Abut a CM3 with a 200mm extension is probably more throw than what i've got going on currently with the rhino and a 75mm extension, so you might still want more
ATo give some context, here’s the throw with my extension
KWow, that's quite a lot
KGuess I should get a shorter extension on order. 200 I'll be way too much
KIs that the blackbird seat from monster? I have one on order and hopefully here by May
KAwesome, thank you again. I do enjoy the ah64, UH1 and ka50. Also a big fan of the p51 and Spitfire.
RWhat chair is that?
Pyeah this is something I have noticed especially with the VKB MCGU being so dam heavy, but swapping out to the vkb kg12 grip for warbirds or ga I can feel a difference having less weight up top, I use the 200mm curved vkb extension cause my base has to be floor mounted, if/when I can swap to a higher chair mount I'll likely swap to a 100mm extension instead. Also considering if I could maybe resin print a replacement grip for the MCGU so it's not so heavy??
D1st in line…. Bwahaha, ill fight you for it
DIm using 100mm
DLove the KG12 for warbirds and MCGu for more modern things
Pyeah with the spring up nice & high & some dampening & inertia the stick can feel nice & heavy for warbirds
WHey, yea the WinWing adapter attaches to the Thrustmaster connector on one side and accepts WW grip on the other. It has electronics inside to translate signals. Analog axes and buttons work! Except the Vibro motor.
Dhey @magpiee - I got Telem installed and it's fantastic, Walmis is amazing for providing this
Dgonna need to do some tuning, or try to understand how to tune it, but this is fantastic as a start
Dlol, when you jump out of your plane, the FFB effects are still active - DCS is still pushing telem to the plane, even though your not in it
WGood catch, will need to check if pilot is ejected 
Dwould be cool to have a simple program (I know, I know) to give easy input values for the telemetry... something for another day when your not flat out building these things
DI'm gonna keep fiddling with things in the meantime
WYou mean adjust parameters on the fly?
Dyeah, but I assume you need to restart the app for it to pick it up?
Dbecause it's writing to a aircrafts.py file that is loaded from the main.py
WIt reloads the config.ini on every DCS mission start though
Doh, so I am supposed to be modifying the config.ini
Dok, my bad, I thought I was supposed to edit the aircrafts.py
WYou can implement more advanced features, but to tune existing stuff you can use the ini file 
Dis there a way to get a complete data dump of all configurable options from DCS?
DI assume there is an lua file somewhere with a complete list
WNot really, most of it you need to figure out
Dhow did you work out gun_vibration_intensity, was this on a forum somewhere?
WThat's just my own construct, that just goes to the FFB effect amplitude IIRC when shots are fired.
Dah, then that's my fault, I was thinking this variable (like the others) were pulled from the API, hahaha, but it's your own
WThe ones coming from DCS are listed in that telem window
Wit's possible to add more via the lua file
GDo you mean that would be possible to add landing gear transition and air breaks effects for the rhino (like the shaking motor from winwing f16ex grip gives)?
WYes, definitely
GAwesome, thanks.
PAnd one would write the implementation in python? That might give me a reason to use the language, lol
WYep, that's correct