Also like amadeus said above me, any time you play a game without ffb the stick can still be set up

Also like amadeus said above me, any time you play a game without ffb the stick can still be set up to feel so much better than any other base I've used, the inertia & dampening make so much difference. I also have to say if you enjoy flying heli's you will absolutely love flying them with the Rhino, having ffb for the force trim makes it feel so much better it's hard to explain just how much better it feels. Also flying anything like a warbird (IL2 BoS) or GA bush planes (MSFS2020) feels unbelievably better & flying anything feels more precise & immersive.

Knight59•3/14/23, 2:52 AM

Thank you guys. You've got me sold!

Knight59•3/14/23, 2:52 AM

I do have a 200 mm extension on the cm3 and I ordered the physical stops for the rhino

Knight59•3/14/23, 2:52 AM

I may not need the extension though given the height of the rhino

Knight59•3/14/23, 2:53 AM

Using an alpha grip from virpil

Knight59•3/14/23, 2:53 AM

Also have the tm warthog grip

amadeus•3/14/23, 2:53 AM

the only downside to an extension is that the the force required to move the stick at the highest levels is easier, it already has a massive amount of throw, i think i have like a 75mm extension on it, and it feels huge (i did order the 200mm curved one from virpil, but not sure i'll even need/want to use it yet

amadeus•3/14/23, 2:54 AM

but a CM3 with a 200mm extension is probably more throw than what i've got going on currently with the rhino and a 75mm extension, so you might still want more

amadeus•3/14/23, 2:56 AM

To give some context, here’s the throw with my extension

Knight59•3/14/23, 3:03 AM

Wow, that's quite a lot

Knight59•3/14/23, 3:03 AM

Guess I should get a shorter extension on order. 200 I'll be way too much

Knight59•3/14/23, 3:04 AM

Is that the blackbird seat from monster? I have one on order and hopefully here by May

PPiNKSH!T Also like amadeus said above me, any time you play a game without ffb the stick ...

Knight59•3/14/23, 3:06 AM

Awesome, thank you again. I do enjoy the ah64, UH1 and ka50. Also a big fan of the p51 and Spitfire.

Aamadeus To give some context, here’s the throw with my extension

Reed•3/14/23, 3:18 AM

What chair is that?

Aamadeus the only downside to an extension is that the the force required to move the sti...

PiNKSH!TOP•3/14/23, 3:20 AM

yeah this is something I have noticed especially with the VKB MCGU being so dam heavy, but swapping out to the vkb kg12 grip for warbirds or ga I can feel a difference having less weight up top, I use the 200mm curved vkb extension cause my base has to be floor mounted, if/when I can swap to a higher chair mount I'll likely swap to a 100mm extension instead. Also considering if I could maybe resin print a replacement grip for the MCGU so it's not so heavy??

RReed What chair is that?

amadeus•3/14/23, 3:20 AM

https://www.monstertechusa.com/product/flight-chair-mfc-1-blackbird-chair-mount-bundle/

Aamadeus I had the CM3 prior to getting the rhino -- and one thing I can say -- it's basi...

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 3:40 AM

1st in line…. Bwahaha, ill fight you for it

KKnight59 Guess I should get a shorter extension on order. 200 I'll be way too much

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 3:42 AM

Im using 100mm

PPiNKSH!T yeah this is something I have noticed especially with the VKB MCGU being so dam ...

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 3:44 AM

Love the KG12 for warbirds and MCGu for more modern things

PiNKSH!TOP•3/14/23, 3:50 AM

yeah with the spring up nice & high & some dampening & inertia the stick can feel nice & heavy for warbirds

Rrecoilfx Thanks. Would love to hear from @walmis on what the adapter entails. I'd be supe...

walmis•3/14/23, 5:48 AM

Hey, yea the WinWing adapter attaches to the Thrustmaster connector on one side and accepts WW grip on the other. It has electronics inside to translate signals. Analog axes and buttons work! Except the Vibro motor.

MMagpie Sounds great. I'm really hoping some software wizard can sync these features up ...

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 8:10 AM

hey @magpiee - I got Telem installed and it's fantastic, Walmis is amazing for providing this

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 8:11 AM

gonna need to do some tuning, or try to understand how to tune it, but this is fantastic as a start

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 8:17 AM

lol, when you jump out of your plane, the FFB effects are still active - DCS is still pushing telem to the plane, even though your not in it

Dddrake1984 lol, when you jump out of your plane, the FFB effects are still active - DCS is ...

walmis•3/14/23, 8:18 AM

Good catch, will need to check if pilot is ejected

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 8:19 AM

would be cool to have a simple program (I know, I know) to give easy input values for the telemetry... something for another day when your not flat out building these things

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 8:20 AM

I'm gonna keep fiddling with things in the meantime

walmis•3/14/23, 8:20 AM

You mean adjust parameters on the fly?

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 8:20 AM

yeah, but I assume you need to restart the app for it to pick it up?

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 8:21 AM

because it's writing to a aircrafts.py file that is loaded from the main.py

walmis•3/14/23, 8:21 AM

It reloads the config.ini on every DCS mission start though

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 8:23 AM

oh, so I am supposed to be modifying the config.ini

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 8:24 AM

ok, my bad, I thought I was supposed to edit the aircrafts.py

Dddrake1984 ok, my bad, I thought I was supposed to edit the aircrafts.py

walmis•3/14/23, 8:28 AM

You can implement more advanced features, but to tune existing stuff you can use the ini file

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 8:28 AM

is there a way to get a complete data dump of all configurable options from DCS?

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 8:29 AM

I assume there is an lua file somewhere with a complete list

walmis•3/14/23, 9:00 AM

Not really, most of it you need to figure out

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 9:10 AM

how did you work out gun_vibration_intensity, was this on a forum somewhere?

walmis•3/14/23, 9:18 AM

That's just my own construct, that just goes to the FFB effect amplitude IIRC when shots are fired.

ddrake1984•3/14/23, 9:22 AM

ah, then that's my fault, I was thinking this variable (like the others) were pulled from the API, hahaha, but it's your own

walmis•3/14/23, 9:24 AM

The ones coming from DCS are listed in that telem window

walmis•3/14/23, 9:24 AM

it's possible to add more via the lua file

Wwalmis it's possible to add more via the lua file

GarrafaBr•3/14/23, 12:36 PM

Do you mean that would be possible to add landing gear transition and air breaks effects for the rhino (like the shaking motor from winwing f16ex grip gives)?

walmis•3/14/23, 12:52 PM

Yes, definitely

GarrafaBr•3/14/23, 12:59 PM

Awesome, thanks.

Wwalmis Yes, definitely