Ok new question Say the sabre has no real feel whatsoever. Its that because it has decoupled hydraul

Ok new question
Say the sabre has no real feel whatsoever. Its that because it has decoupled hydraulics?

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:30 AM

What came first? Coupled or decoupled? Does coupled give any feel?

TC-Durham•3/23/23, 2:32 AM

As much as I remember the Sabre had hydraulic assistance to its controls, which was one of the main points of John Boyd's OODA loop theory, but I still think there was a direct connect between the stick and the affected control surface.

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:34 AM

Ok, I just don't feel anything when flying the sabre really

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:34 AM

But the mig15 has heaps of character

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:36 AM

@hart28

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:36 AM

Help magpie with sabre

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:39 AM

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:39 AM

Found this on wiki

EEmilia_TanThailand Eh...Fly by wire system is have a effect from FFB base or not?

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 2:40 AM

I also like to think of the FFB base not just for giving the exact feelings the aircraft would give through the stick, but also to add some effects that we might otherwise feel through the seat or the body of the aircraft our our own bodies since we're not able to feel all these things without some major hardware in many cases, maybe as things like a "jetSeat" & butt kickers are added some less realistic effects could be removed from the stick. Things like flying a FBW F18 & feeling through the stick each wheel leave/hit the ground is really handy even though we likely wouldn't feel this the same way through a 'real FBW' stick. Anyway just my take.

PPiNKSH!T I also like to think of the FFB base not just for giving the exact feelings the ...

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:41 AM

This is why I want buttkicker& jetseat

MMagpie Ok, I just don't feel anything when flying the sabre really

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 2:41 AM

Is this with or without the Telem app? Sorry if I've missed this answer already.

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:42 AM

Good point, last I remember magpie was scared to use the telem app

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:43 AM

Or was he expecting the effects to be present by default without the app

Dddrake1984 Or was he expecting the effects to be present by default without the app

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 2:46 AM

Yeah that's my main question really, I haven't tested the Sabre with the Rhino yet. It's all up to the individual module makers whether or not there's any FFB effects & if any what they are.

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:46 AM

I was flying huey last night, found that the telem app was needed

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:47 AM

Not for “extra” effects, but just the ground resonance

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:49 AM

Is there a list someone has done that explains all the aircraft with their default ffb effects and the additional ones? I think someone should do this

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:49 AM

I think @magpiee should do it

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:54 AM

I guess I fly all the planes

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:54 AM

I just need to learn how the stick functions irl too in order to contest it

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 2:54 AM

I haven't used the telem app yet

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 3:04 AM

Well.. huey has force trim by default, telem adds additional feel of buffeting and guns firing from what I have tested (minimally)

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 3:05 AM

Im curious to test the new firmware endstops, not sure what some of the other firmware options means tho

Dddrake1984 Is there a list someone has done that explains all the aircraft with their defau...

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 5:12 AM

hey m8, sorry been afk. I think this was talked about when people make changes &/or add effects to different aircraft we could post them on github? I always use the telem app when flying dcs, I could be wrong but I understood it to be that the app will only add effects not overwrite any that are default for the module.

PPiNKSH!T hey m8, sorry been afk. I think this was talked about when people make changes &...

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 5:17 AM

Yeah, I use the telem too, was just curious to know what default effects are enabled for the airframes and what the telem is providing as additional and could provide if configured

Dddrake1984 Help magpie with sabre

=RS= Hart•3/23/23, 5:24 AM

I don't use FFB yet, so I can't be much help there unfortunately

==RS= Hart I don't use FFB yet, so I can't be much help there unfortunately

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 5:26 AM

Well, the question was more around the sensations that are supposedly felt for the sabre

=RS= Hart•3/23/23, 5:26 AM

Ah, I'll have a sticky beak in the manual and see if I can find anything on it later

=RS= Hart•3/23/23, 5:26 AM

But I would imagine it'd feel lighter than the 15 due to better dampeners

=RS= Hart•3/23/23, 5:27 AM

Maybe stiffness around 0.95M in the roll

Dddrake1984 Well, the question was more around the sensations that are supposedly felt for t...

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 5:27 AM

I'd assume the flight controls are conected to the stick in a sabre so you should feel quite a lot from the sabre

==RS= Hart But I would imagine it'd feel lighter than the 15 due to better dampeners

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 5:27 AM

📃general

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 5:27 AM

Question was around coupled or decoupled hydraulics

Dddrake1984 https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/965234441511383083/1088288523548...

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 5:28 AM

this could be the reason too

=RS= Hart•3/23/23, 5:28 AM

Ok, I'll have a look tonight for a definitive answer

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 5:29 AM

Ill fly the sabre, but I know hart knows “people” and has access to “warthunder level documents”

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 5:31 AM

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/138153-missing-ffb-effect/

ED Forums

Missing FFB effect?

We can see the visual effect at high angle turns, stalls and spins but there is no ffb effect on joystick controller. You have added ffb effects on mig-15 and works great. Will you implement those effects on F-86 later? Thanks

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 5:32 AM

it's discussed here 2016, but have a look in the manual it has a few sections on the controls in the sabre

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 5:32 AM

looks like they are hydraulic but can be disengaged manually

CaptFlushGarden (John Liberto)•3/23/23, 5:50 AM

Hey guys! I fly mostly Dcs but lately flight simulator 2020 is getting some nice additions, i was wondering how much support there is for fs2020 for this FFB stick right now, for example force trim and such , is that in the VPForce software or does the simulator have to support that? I see some videos measuring force at around 5kg at the stick base , has anyone made measurements around the handle area where the hand would be? And lastly how long is the wait currently if an order was made today? Thank you :))

FlatSpin•3/23/23, 5:51 AM

!status

FFlatSpin !status

VPforceBot•3/23/23, 5:51 AM

Hey @.flatspin,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0064 on 2023-03-21
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 141 days, median is 181 days, max is 209 days
64 Rhinos are shipped in total

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 5:57 AM

Sabre controls don't even tense up as you go fast

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 5:57 AM

Its kinda like the Hornet

MagpieOP•3/23/23, 6:24 AM

Except no fbw

PPiNKSH!T https://forum.dcs.world/topic/138153-missing-ffb-effect/

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 6:40 AM

Legend

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 6:41 AM

This is exactly what I was looking for

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 6:41 AM

@hart28 you have been replaced, hand in your Sabre card

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 6:43 AM

Umm has anyone tried the new EndStops?

PiNKSH!T•3/23/23, 6:44 AM

@walmis I had my suspicions about you, but this confirms it you deal in black magic

Ok new question Say the sabre has no real feel whatsoever. Its that because it has decoupled hydraul

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