I might be wrong, but if you calibrate the Rhino then place a restrictor on it you'll never reach th

I might be wrong, but if you calibrate the Rhino then place a restrictor on it you'll never reach the actual end of the axis you calibrated. Where if you calibrated it with the restrictor plate in place then this would be calibrated with one axis asymmetric.

skyPickle•3/25/23, 3:19 AM

I do not have a restrictor plate and dont even know why I would use one.

skyPickle•3/25/23, 3:20 AM

I repeated this flight with FFB OFF and the only difference is that the blue circle stayed at the center, but the stick still needed to be pushed forward halfway. Interestingly, the indicators (the orange lines in the next pic) seem to show the stick in neutral position.

skyPickle•3/25/23, 3:20 AM

PiNKSH!TOP•3/25/23, 3:22 AM

Yeah one thing I noticed was how asymmetric the control indicator is, having the really sort +Y axis, maybe the game is trying to replicate this when someone has ffb? not sure why it would do this though?

Magpie•3/25/23, 3:24 AM

This is the reason you make the restrictor plate. Turns out sticks don't travel as far forward as they do back

PPiNKSH!T I might be wrong, but if you calibrate the Rhino then place a restrictor on it y...

TheAmazinGreat•3/25/23, 4:02 AM

You are right, you wouldn’t reach the end, but the center point needs to be retained from the pre-restricted calibration, otherwise the center will be in the middle of the restrictor plate edges.

TheAmazinGreat•3/25/23, 4:04 AM

I thought it was modeled correctly because IRL you have more rear travel than forward because the standard procedure is “roll and pull”. Negative G is a no-no so you don’t need a lot of forward travel.

TheAmazinGreat•3/25/23, 4:05 AM

I haven’t played with mine yet, still building my kit but I’ve seen some others ask about the stick forward when trimmed and those were the reasons given.

skyPickle•3/25/23, 4:11 AM

In the F15C (another flaming cliffs module) the stick is in the center position for neutral flight-so it behaves as expected.

skyPickle•3/25/23, 4:12 AM

but in the A10C and the A10C_2, the stick position for neutral flight is half way forward.

TTheAmazinGreat I thought it was modeled correctly because IRL you have more rear travel than fo...

PiNKSH!TOP•3/25/23, 4:18 AM

Yeah I think I've seen this conversation in here before, ergonomics & cockpit design also comes into play. So with the restrictor plates do we calibrate, install restrictors then just set software endstops to match? or just use the config app to manually set axis ends?

skyPickle•3/25/23, 4:30 AM

Other aircraft where the position for neutral flight is properly centered are the JF17, the SU25, SU27, and the Viggen.

skyPickle•3/25/23, 4:31 AM

I think the only way to solve this is to have a center point that is different for each aircraft.

PiNKSH!TOP•3/25/23, 4:31 AM

I noticed on the f18 yesterday that no matter how tight I make the endstop for the +Y axis (trying to match the jet) I still only get halfway through the axis by the time the in game stick has hit full deflection forward?

skyPickle•3/25/23, 4:32 AM

@walmis is it possible to have an offset for the center point?

SskyPickle I think the only way to solve this is to have a center point that is different f...

PiNKSH!TOP•3/25/23, 4:32 AM

yeah well I have been making a config profile for each aircraft so far, tell a lie I haven't done the A10a yet

SskyPickle @walmis is it possible to have an offset for the center point?

PiNKSH!TOP•3/25/23, 4:33 AM

wouldn't that be the Axis Scaling setting in effects tab?

skyPickle•3/25/23, 4:34 AM

@pinksht I guess you achieve that through the axis scaling option?

skyPickle•3/25/23, 4:39 AM

Ill have to play around with that to see how it can improve the A10. Gotta go now, it's late here.

SskyPickle Ill have to play around with that to see how it can improve the A10. Gotta go no...

PiNKSH!TOP•3/25/23, 4:40 AM

I haven't used it myself yet, I was just guessing that might be the setting to move the axis center? Cheers m8, cya later

Hextopia•3/25/23, 5:41 AM

It's definitely noticeable in the F-14 that the centerpoint with neutral trim is way far forward, but it matches the actual control indicator in-game (Right Ctrl + Enter)

Magpie•3/25/23, 5:57 AM

You need to change the calibrated axis end for the push part of the y axis. I cant imagine how far forward your stick goes in the 29 at high mach

Hextopia•3/25/23, 6:01 AM

To be honest, I never tried modifying the calibration beyond making sure it was actually centered, since the stick always seems to match the control throw of the in-game aircraft

Magpie•3/25/23, 6:24 AM

Try it. I know I won’t go back. My calibration only goes like 15 degrees past vertical. However I have a large extension

Magpie•3/25/23, 6:24 AM

I only got to doing that by correlating vr stick position with the rhino one

MMagpie Try it. I know I won’t go back. My calibration only goes like 15 degrees past ve...

PiNKSH!TOP•3/25/23, 6:55 AM

Sorry just to clarify are we talking about changing the Axis Scaling setting in Effects tab?

Magpie•3/25/23, 6:57 AM

No just when you calibrate the whole thing

MMagpie Try it. I know I won’t go back. My calibration only goes like 15 degrees past ve...

Hextopia•3/25/23, 6:59 AM

I'm confused about why/to what extent I'd recalibrate the center to change it

Hextopia•3/25/23, 7:00 AM

Since I actually prefer having a much shorter forward throw

Hextopia•3/25/23, 7:01 AM

Having the neutral position shift itself forward is honestly quite nice

Magpie•3/25/23, 7:01 AM

You recalibrate the end of the Y axis. Try a few values till you get one that feels right

MMagpie You recalibrate the end of the Y axis. Try a few values till you get one that f...

PiNKSH!TOP•3/25/23, 7:13 AM

PiNKSH!TOP•3/25/23, 7:14 AM

Sorry m8, do you mean change the max setting in there

Magpie•3/25/23, 7:14 AM

Yeah

Hextopia•3/25/23, 7:15 AM

I'm still skeptical here. You're either saying to desaturate one side of the pitch axis, which would just reduce the total usable throw range, or move the center calibration point, neither of which seem like something I'd want

PiNKSH!TOP•3/25/23, 7:15 AM

ahh ok, so that will change the physical axis limit & then the software will soft it out so you still hit 4096 when you reach the physical limit?

HHextopia I'm still skeptical here. You're either saying to desaturate one side of the pit...

Magpie•3/25/23, 7:18 AM

Its personal preference for sure, but it's the fix to the issue you describe

PPiNKSH!T ahh ok, so that will change the physical axis limit & then the software will sof...

Magpie•3/25/23, 7:18 AM

Yeah, that's why walmis is now making physical end stops

Magpie•3/25/23, 7:19 AM

So you set it to like 2500 or 3000 or something that feels good for your ergonomics

Magpie•3/25/23, 7:19 AM

Like we all have different stick lengths and Sim pit seating arrangements

Magpie•3/25/23, 7:20 AM

So just try to correspond what you see in VR with a usable axis

Magpie•3/25/23, 7:21 AM

And you won't notice the difference for the aircraft that currently feel good

And the shonky ones like the A10 and the Ka-50 and the F5 and the tomcat feel right

MMagpie Its personal preference for sure, but it's the fix to the issue you describe

Hextopia•3/25/23, 1:45 PM

I don't actually think it's an issue

Magpie•3/25/23, 1:46 PM

Ah sweet as, keep it the way it is then!

Hextopia•3/25/23, 1:46 PM

Yeah, I'd actually prefer all my center stick aircraft be that way, since it more closely mimics how real aircraft are setup

Hextopia•3/25/23, 1:47 PM

Giving you all that extra room on the pull gives you a lot better control and feel for how hard you're pulling

Magpie•3/25/23, 1:49 PM

Makes sense, do you have an extension?

Hextopia•3/25/23, 1:49 PM

I do

HHextopia Giving you all that extra room on the pull gives you a lot better control and fe...

PiNKSH!TOP•3/25/23, 1:59 PM

I think most people are restricting the push of the Y axis as a lot of aircraft have less forward throw than rearward.

HHextopia Yeah, I'd actually prefer all my center stick aircraft be that way, since it mor...

skyPickle•3/25/23, 5:09 PM

how do you know about the real aircraft? The neutral position only happens in flight and that's where you would see your stick pitched forward.

I might be wrong, but if you calibrate the Rhino then place a restrictor on it you'll never reach th

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