ZThanks.
NSorry maybe I'm a bit slow, does this mean you need the base and the blackbox or does this mean you plug the base of the stick into the blackbox and then into the pc?
AYou need the blackbox
Aand the VKB adapter for the Rhino
NI see, so it goes Grip —> Rhino —> BlackBox —> PC?
NOr does it split somewhere along the way?
AIt's actually Grip -> Adapter -> blackbox
Athere is no electrical connection between the adapter and the Rhino base
Athe wiring comes out of the adapter
NOh alright, how does that look physically?
Athe adapter looks like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972180323787997255/994218174927081492/IMG_20220706_152425.jpg
NSo I assume that sits between the Rhino and grip, does that mean you have two USBs for the PC (blackbox and Rhino base) and then a power cable for the base?
Ayes
NIs the software solution to that seamless? Or does it detect it as two different devices?
NFor example if I were to configure it in DCS, would the Rhinos axis and the grips button inputs be two different devices or the same unit
Ayou have two separate devices, but there's a loopback app that allows the VPForce configurator to see the buttons on the grip
Ain DCS you have the VKB stick and the Rhino base separately
Ayou can still use vkb software to configure the grip
NAh that’s a shame but not the end of the world
Awell the vkb thing is in competition for my least favorite software of all time
Abut it's manageable
NI don’t really use any of the standalone softwares, I usually just configure what I need in the games I use it in
AIIRC the issue was that Walmis wasn't able to decode the VKB grip's protocol so using the blackbox was the only option
Avirpil and TM are directly compatible, winwing adapter talks to the Rhino base and VKB needs the blackbox in addition to the adapter
NDo you happen to have experience with the Rhino in DCS specifically?
ASome
NHow does it work on the more modern modules?
AI put off extended testing because I've been waiting for a new computer, but I've done a fair bit of initial stuffs
Adepends entirely on the module
AF-14 is supposed to be really good, but I don't have it
Ahelicopters are awesome even though they only do the force trim, no shakes or stuff
Aexcept maybe for the Gazelle, I've heard that it's not awesome
NI’ve been looking into whether it’s even worth it for ex. the F16 or F18, especially for the upcoming Eurofighter
AI did a little bit of flying with the 18 and it works fine in it, no forces and the specifics of the real controller (like AoA dependent resistance etc.) are not modeled
A16 is a bit of a special case if you want to emulate the feel of the real thing in any way
NBit of a shame, but it may just be how modern fly-by-wire feels(?)
AWell afaik kind of yes
NI figure the F-16 force sensing thing isn’t simulated by the Rhino
Ano
Ayou need special sensors for that
AThere is something to be said about the Rhino in non-force situations, though
Areal controllers aren't spring loaded
NI heard a reviewer say the default stick feel of the Rhino is really good too, as opposed to the spring and cam sticks that are otherwise at the high end market
Ait was kind of a revelation to see what kind of machinery airbus used in the 320's small sidestick
Ait's full of dampers and stuff to get the feel right
AI tested and reviewed vkb, virpil and winwing bases (and have used tm stuff + mods for years) last year and so far I vastly prefer the Rhino over all of them
Afor the aforementioned reason
NYeah it’s definitely something I would love to try.. whether I want to pay 800€ though 
AThe feel of the motors, wheels and belts just feels more like wheels, pulleys and stuff in real planes
AI'm one of the people who can't stand the dampers on regular stick bases