the adapter looks like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972180323787997255/99421817492708

the adapter looks like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972180323787997255/994218174927081492/IMG_20220706_152425.jpg

AAndyHill the adapter looks like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/9721803237879...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 12:50 AM

So I assume that sits between the Rhino and grip, does that mean you have two USBs for the PC (blackbox and Rhino base) and then a power cable for the base?

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:50 AM

yes

Naudiz•4/2/23, 12:51 AM

Is the software solution to that seamless? Or does it detect it as two different devices?

Naudiz•4/2/23, 12:52 AM

For example if I were to configure it in DCS, would the Rhinos axis and the grips button inputs be two different devices or the same unit

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:52 AM

you have two separate devices, but there's a loopback app that allows the VPForce configurator to see the buttons on the grip

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:52 AM

in DCS you have the VKB stick and the Rhino base separately

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:53 AM

you can still use vkb software to configure the grip

Naudiz•4/2/23, 12:53 AM

Ah that’s a shame but not the end of the world

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:54 AM

well the vkb thing is in competition for my least favorite software of all time

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:54 AM

but it's manageable

Naudiz•4/2/23, 12:55 AM

I don’t really use any of the standalone softwares, I usually just configure what I need in the games I use it in

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:55 AM

IIRC the issue was that Walmis wasn't able to decode the VKB grip's protocol so using the blackbox was the only option

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:56 AM

virpil and TM are directly compatible, winwing adapter talks to the Rhino base and VKB needs the blackbox in addition to the adapter

Naudiz•4/2/23, 12:58 AM

Do you happen to have experience with the Rhino in DCS specifically?

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:58 AM

Some

Naudiz•4/2/23, 12:58 AM

How does it work on the more modern modules?

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:59 AM

I put off extended testing because I've been waiting for a new computer, but I've done a fair bit of initial stuffs

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:59 AM

depends entirely on the module

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:59 AM

F-14 is supposed to be really good, but I don't have it

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 12:59 AM

helicopters are awesome even though they only do the force trim, no shakes or stuff

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:00 AM

except maybe for the Gazelle, I've heard that it's not awesome

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:00 AM

I’ve been looking into whether it’s even worth it for ex. the F16 or F18, especially for the upcoming Eurofighter

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:01 AM

I did a little bit of flying with the 18 and it works fine in it, no forces and the specifics of the real controller (like AoA dependent resistance etc.) are not modeled

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:02 AM

16 is a bit of a special case if you want to emulate the feel of the real thing in any way

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:02 AM

Bit of a shame, but it may just be how modern fly-by-wire feels(?)

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:02 AM

Well afaik kind of yes

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:02 AM

I figure the F-16 force sensing thing isn’t simulated by the Rhino

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:02 AM

you need special sensors for that

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:03 AM

There is something to be said about the Rhino in non-force situations, though

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:03 AM

real controllers aren't spring loaded

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:03 AM

I heard a reviewer say the default stick feel of the Rhino is really good too, as opposed to the spring and cam sticks that are otherwise at the high end market

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:04 AM

it was kind of a revelation to see what kind of machinery airbus used in the 320's small sidestick

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:04 AM

it's full of dampers and stuff to get the feel right

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:05 AM

I tested and reviewed vkb, virpil and winwing bases (and have used tm stuff + mods for years) last year and so far I vastly prefer the Rhino over all of them

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:05 AM

for the aforementioned reason

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:05 AM

Yeah it’s definitely something I would love to try.. whether I want to pay 800€ though

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:05 AM

The feel of the motors, wheels and belts just feels more like wheels, pulleys and stuff in real planes

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:06 AM

I'm one of the people who can't stand the dampers on regular stick bases

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:06 AM

I can't make them work without significant sticktion

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:07 AM

Rhino feels just right for me and of course it's pretty adjustable in software if you want more dampening or whatever

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:07 AM

my fingers are still bleeding from trying out different configurations in the GF3 base

AAndyHill my fingers are still bleeding from trying out different configurations in the GF...

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:08 AM

That’s the stage I’m going through at the minute

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:09 AM

well I reviewed three different bases last summer, my fingers were basically shredded

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:09 AM

virpil was quite nice, though

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:09 AM

but not sliders-in-software nice

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:10 AM

to be honest I haven't actually done much adjusting, though, the stick was pretty much perfect for me right out of the box

AndyHillOP•4/2/23, 1:10 AM

especially now with the throw limiters

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:11 AM

Heh well I’m not exactly in a position to have tried them all, but I am pretty happy with the GF3. The configuring of it is not easy, though

Naudiz•4/2/23, 1:11 AM

I’m probably not gonna be buying the Rhino anytime soon either but it does definitely seem like the flightsim stick dream

the adapter looks like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972180323787997255/99421817492708

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