I implemented the USB HID/FFB spec on a STM32 for brushed motor. Everything in that was a pain and f

I implemented the USB HID/FFB spec on a STM32 for brushed motor. Everything in that was a pain and full of bugs, there are really few examples and the specs date from 1999. The brushed motors are also quite coggy for larger motor, they tend to be really hard to backdrive when forcing in the opposite direction, I sheared off a few couplers while testing. Using 3 phases motor with anti-cogging like the VPForce is the correct way to do it.

The very-dry specs:
https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/pid1_01_0.pdf
The USB descriptor for a normal joystick is like 100 bytes. For FFB, its like 1500 bytes, and if you got 1 byte wrong, Windows will just throw an error without telling you where it could not interpret the descriptor

NNaudiz Alright noted, the standard table-mounted MonsterTech probably isn’t gonna do th...

inpayne•4/10/23, 5:05 AM

I have the long length monstertech desk mount and it works just fine. It flexes a bit if you have it full strength pulling back to the stops but that’s pretty rare if ever in DCS. And I can’t tell any flex in vr. It’s plenty solid.

inpayne•4/10/23, 5:07 AM

Only issue is it’s pretty wide so legs go around the base and it’s probably near the limit of comfort but not bad at all. Probably better as a moms tech type chair or floor mount. But if that’s what you got like I do it works just fine. I’ve only played with it for a couple hours now but it seems like a real game changer.

Mm0jo I implemented the USB HID/FFB spec on a STM32 for brushed motor. Everything in t...

nospooky•4/10/23, 10:59 AM

Hmm I’ll have to read through that

nospooky•4/10/23, 11:01 AM

The reason im thinking of using brushed is because i have some reaaallyy nice brushed maxon motors and they’ve been rotting away without getting used for a while so I thought this would be a good use for them

Nnospooky Hmm I’ll have to read through that

Jotaele•4/10/23, 12:31 PM

Hi @nospooky , check this great project,I found it randomly on youtube.
It is based on Arduino and it works for directX standar FFB.
It look well developed and I think it may suits your maxon DC motors.

https://github.com/gagagu/Arduino_FFB_Yoke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBrOv4p11c&t=7s

GitHub

GitHub - gagagu/Arduino_FFB_Yoke: Flightsim FFB Yoke with Arduino

Flightsim FFB Yoke with Arduino. Contribute to gagagu/Arduino_FFB_Yoke development by creating an account on GitHub.

YouTubegagagu

DIY 3d printed Arduino FFB Yoke - Testflight

It is an ongoing Project with no success guarantee.
See more Info on https://github.com/gagagu/Arduino_FFB_Yoke

If you like you can join on my Discord for questions and talk

https://discord.gg/zrYUcJWu7F

Sunshine•4/10/23, 6:26 PM

I'm pretty interested in the DIY kit so I can build it into my sim rig floor board, for a proper stock height and setup, even a dual stick setup for trainer

SSunshine I'm pretty interested in the DIY kit so I can build it into my sim rig floor boa...

mechsicko•4/10/23, 7:14 PM

In recent or upcoming software update 2 bases will be able to be slaved to each other for 2 seaters through the standard usb connection

Mmechsicko In recent or upcoming software update 2 bases will be able to be slaved to each...

Sunshine•4/10/23, 7:30 PM

Nice. I have a Brunner FFB base right now, It's good but any sustained force and it clocks out after 20 seconds

Sunshine•4/10/23, 7:31 PM

And can't really mount it to under the floor

mechsicko•4/10/23, 7:46 PM

Vpforce is light years ahead of brunner in most quantifiable categories

inpayne•4/11/23, 12:17 AM

So the telem app. Do I need to know python to make it work? I really don’t know what I’m doing.

Iinpayne So the telem app. Do I need to know python to make it work? I really don’t know ...

PiNKSH!T•4/11/23, 3:36 AM

Hey m8, there should now be a .exe install version of the Telem App, even without it installing isn't overly complicated. Using the Telem App itself once installed is easy, just start it before DCS, (I haven't tested it but it might work if stared after DCS too). I makes the aircraft feel a lot more alive, feeling the bumps on taxi & takeoff etc. plus you can edit the file/config for each aircraft also to add, remove or edit any of the effects.

superbird1011•4/11/23, 4:46 AM

!status

Ssuperbird1011 !status

VPforceBot•4/11/23, 4:46 AM

Hey @adam1220.,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0073 on 2023-04-06
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 150 days, median is 190 days, max is 214 days
74 Rhinos are shipped in total

superbird1011•4/11/23, 4:47 AM

Are there any plans to increase production? I totally get that you’re a one man show and super busy! Just looking forward to my unit and i know im still 190 ish away!

Ssuperbird1011 Are there any plans to increase production? I totally get that you’re a one man ...

PiNKSH!T•4/11/23, 6:07 AM

Hey m8, I can't answer for Walmis & his future plans (obviously), but his production rate has definitely increased over recent months, almost reaching 20 units per month from what I saw in a recent post. I know It's easy for me to say sitting here with my Rhino, but all I can say is it's so worth the wait imho not just the ffb effects, but the ability to customize the feel of the base per aircraft so easily by simple config changes.

Ssuperbird1011 Are there any plans to increase production? I totally get that you’re a one man ...

walmis•4/11/23, 7:55 AM

Yeah, things are improving with the supply side, so with every batch things are going faster.

VPforceBot•4/11/23, 8:19 AM

:package:

RHINO #0076 Has Shipped!

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ᛞᚨᚱᚦ ᛏᚨᚺᛖᛚ•4/11/23, 9:50 AM

Only 200 more to go

Jon (Bounty_V)•4/11/23, 12:06 PM

22 to go

VPforceBot•4/11/23, 12:25 PM

:package:

RHINO #0077 Has Shipped!

Reed•4/11/23, 12:26 PM

Nice

Reed•4/11/23, 12:28 PM

11 more to go

PPiNKSH!T Hey m8, there should now be a .exe install version of the Telem App, even withou...

inpayne•4/11/23, 1:29 PM

Okay sounds good. It just says waiting for DCS input maybe. I’m not at my computer and slept since then so I wasn’t sure if it was doing anything or not.

RReed Nice

inpayne•4/11/23, 1:37 PM

I was 76 but ended up with 70 so could be even sooner maybe

Reed•4/11/23, 1:43 PM

I was 90 and now 88

Jon (Bounty_V)•4/11/23, 3:19 PM

i was around 110 originally but now im at 98

PPiNKSH!T Hey m8, there should now be a .exe install version of the Telem App, even withou...

LeLv30_Superbus•4/11/23, 3:20 PM

Yes it works even if you launch it after DCS. You can change the effects, then restart just TelemFFB and test the new values in DCS without exiting DCS

PPiNKSH!T Hey m8, I can't answer for Walmis & his future plans (obviously), but his produc...

superbird1011•4/11/23, 3:48 PM

Oh for sure. The guys making products in huge demand in his house on his own, not upset at all! If anything I’d be interested in investing into VPForce to help increase sales and production

superbird1011•4/11/23, 3:49 PM

I do alot of aviation business things

Ssuperbird1011 Oh for sure. The guys making products in huge demand in his house on his own, no...

walmis•4/11/23, 4:38 PM

Not in my house lol, I rent a place for the workshop/lab hehe

Wwalmis Not in my house lol, I rent a place for the workshop/lab hehe

superbird1011•4/11/23, 4:40 PM

The sentiment stands!

superbird1011•4/11/23, 4:40 PM

Would you be open to anything like that mate?

Boosted•4/11/23, 6:58 PM

Imma gonna need like 50 people to back out.....thanks, lol

HornetDRIVER•4/11/23, 9:56 PM

@theoldnamesystemwasjustfine yeah? How much are ya willing to offer?

Boosted•4/11/23, 10:37 PM

Let's ask loch Ness monster.........tree fiddy?

Boosted•4/11/23, 10:38 PM

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256

Tenor

HornetDRIVER•4/11/23, 11:36 PM

Hmmmmm. You make a compelling argument….

Warwolf09•4/11/23, 11:58 PM

!status

WWarwolf09 !status

VPforceBot•4/11/23, 11:58 PM

Hey @warwolf09,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0077 on 2023-04-11
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 152 days, median is 191 days, max is 216 days
76 Rhinos are shipped in total

WingOver•4/12/23, 5:53 AM

!stats

WWingOver !stats

VPforceBot•4/12/23, 5:53 AM

Hey @wngover,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0077 on 2023-04-11
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 152 days, median is 191 days, max is 216 days
76 Rhinos are shipped in total

VPforceBot•4/12/23, 7:58 AM

:package: