I mean it's low level in terms of math. Development shouldn't usually require a vast understanding o

I mean it's low level in terms of math. Development shouldn't usually require a vast understanding of trigonometry etc. Then again I'm coming from this with the perspective of a software engineer and not a game developer

KKinsonDigital https://www.monogame.net/ for 3D and 2D and https://github.com/KinsonDigital/Vel...

Filiph Siitam SandströmOP•4/13/23, 3:37 PM

Adorable mascot

Furball•4/13/23, 3:40 PM

yeah in game dev it is definetly used more

KinsonDigital•4/13/23, 3:44 PM

yeah...monogame has been around for a very long time

KinsonDigital•4/13/23, 3:44 PM

velaptor is in preview and still has work to do. You can totally build games with it but there are some tools to create and make things a little easier and it is not fully cross platform yet

KinsonDigital•4/13/23, 3:45 PM

but it is very active since I work on it full time

FFiliph Siitam Sandström Any good high-level graphics libraries to recommend? Even as a kernel developer ...

Lyris the Kitori•4/13/23, 7:07 PM

theres surprisingly little in terms of stuff like "draw cube here" due to how 3d rendering works, even high level abstractions like monogame still require you to manage verts and indices for 3d

Howie•4/13/23, 7:08 PM

If you don't mind Javscript/Typescript, Three.JS and Babylon.JS are both pretty cool

Howie•4/13/23, 7:08 PM

They are really high level

FFiliph Siitam Sandström I mean it's low level in terms of math. Development shouldn't usually require a ...

Lyris the Kitori•4/13/23, 7:09 PM

you dont need to truly understand the complexities of the math to use them to draw models and stuff (god knows i dont, i just know the bare minimum, and i can get by)

HHowie If you don't mind Javscript/Typescript, Three.JS and Babylon.JS are both pretty ...

Lyris the Kitori•4/13/23, 7:11 PM

but yeah for stuff that high level, JS libs, and large engines like unity are where youll find that

Howie•4/13/23, 7:12 PM

It's pretty rewarding to make your own cube close to the metal, though!

khitiara•4/13/23, 7:14 PM

aye

khitiara•4/13/23, 7:14 PM

and yeah if you want to just go draw a cube here youll probably need either unity, unreal, or some javascript thing

Kai•4/13/23, 7:19 PM

unity is honestly pretty good

khitiara•4/13/23, 7:20 PM

i dont like unity at all but thats just me, objectively its pretty good yeah

khitiara•4/13/23, 7:20 PM

just really needs to get better GC imo

Kai•4/13/23, 7:32 PM

I'm just really into the whole idea they sell as DOTS

Kai•4/13/23, 7:32 PM

I mean I've been into that forever really, and their implementation is decent

Kai•4/13/23, 7:33 PM

so yeah, not perfect, but overall an impressive and pretty well working product

Howie•4/13/23, 7:35 PM

I wonder if their using Mesh shaders under the hood?

Aqua•4/13/23, 7:36 PM

unlikely, unity is still rather tied to direct3d 11

Aqua•4/13/23, 7:36 PM

they do have vulkan implemented but last time i checked it doesn't work that well

Aqua•4/13/23, 7:36 PM

maybe things have changed though

Kai•4/13/23, 7:36 PM

There's graphics pipelines now which I think sometimes*** use vulkan

Kai•4/13/23, 7:36 PM

but really for their purposes it doesn't matter

Howie•4/13/23, 7:36 PM

I'm all about these Mesh shaders. It's my only render pipeline, one for everything.

Kai•4/13/23, 7:37 PM

Arguably vulkan could widen device support and unlock many cool technologies / features, but practically they likely have a huge number of existing DX focused & optimized content, which would largely go to waste

Howie•4/13/23, 7:38 PM

Unity doesn't do DX12 yet?

Aqua•4/13/23, 7:38 PM

dx11 the last time i used it

Aqua•4/13/23, 7:38 PM

their main backends are still dx11 and opengl

Howie•4/13/23, 7:38 PM

gotcha

Kai•4/13/23, 7:38 PM

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/GraphicsAPIs.html

Kai•4/13/23, 7:38 PM

They support DX11 & 12, Vulkan, and some version of GL

Aqua•4/13/23, 7:39 PM

they do now support dx12? does it work like at all lmfao

Kai•4/13/23, 7:39 PM

OpenGL is likely mostly geared towards their web support & maybe some mobile. I doubt that it's oriented towards desktop

khitiara•4/13/23, 7:39 PM

yeah

AAqua they do now support dx12? does it work like at all lmfao

Kai•4/13/23, 7:40 PM

There should be little to no differences between platforms. There are some authoring differences (https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/SL-PlatformDifferences.html) of course

Aqua•4/13/23, 7:41 PM

seems like they have made some changes then
last time i checked dx12 wasn't supported at all and vulkan implementation barely worked

Aqua•4/13/23, 7:41 PM

that was a couple years ago now though

AAqua ah so `vzeroupper` indicates SSE or something so it seems like it is still tryin...

tannergooding•4/13/23, 11:26 PM

vzerouppervzeroupper is used for basically any floating-point code
it zeros the upper 128-bits of all SIMD registers, and is functionally has no execution cost on modern processors as it all happens as part of decode in the register renamer
it's required to avoid a perf pessimization that happens when mixing "legacy encoded" and "vex encoded" SIMD instructions, as the legacy encoded have a merge behavior that must preserve the upper 128-bit results

tannergooding•4/13/23, 11:27 PM

this ends up coming up when mixing R2R/Crossgen compiled methods or interop code with regular jitted managed code

tannergooding•4/13/23, 11:27 PM

(that perf pessimization is that every instruction could execute up to 10x slower on some hardware)

tannergooding•4/13/23, 11:28 PM

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I try to check in every now and then, but pings let me know there's something I can look at specifically

CeSun•4/14/23, 2:47 AM

wait for webgl first day.......

CCeSun wait for webgl first day.......

Lyris the Kitori•4/14/23, 2:59 AM

not possible in silk right now

CeSun•4/14/23, 3:00 AM

is there any insurmountable difficulty？

Lyris the Kitori•4/14/23, 3:00 AM

yes, it's the fact this is C#

CeSun•4/14/23, 3:01 AM

Yesterday I tried to forward the webgl api to silk.net by myself, but failed

Lyris the Kitori•4/14/23, 3:02 AM

the WASM dotnet runtime is too bad

CeSun•4/14/23, 3:03 AM

GL.GetApi(name => {
switch (name)
case "glGenTexture":
return GetFunctionPointerForDelegate(canvas.CreateTexture);
....
})

I mean it's low level in terms of math. Development shouldn't usually require a vast understanding o

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