Yeah, I was just thinking that when Yafti is more mature, it might be useful to have it in main to d

Yeah, I was just thinking that when Yafti is more mature, it might be useful to have it in main to do some post-install setups, but you're right, it's too opinionated for main.

AArcitec Yeah, I was just thinking that when Yafti is more mature, it might be useful to ...

bsherman•5/15/23, 5:58 PM

did you see that Fedora 39 has a proposed first-boot service?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutoFirstBootServices

Jj0rge ok the full set of rules was merged but we need someone with the hardware to dou...

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 5:59 PM

This should be fine since it's correct modern way to define input device rules.

And if I've even understood Fedora correctly, they dynamically assign people to the access

input

input

group files when they are physically logged into the desktop -- via ACLs.

So I don't think anyone needs to add themselves to

input

input

either.

j0rge•5/15/23, 5:59 PM

I looked into these firstboot services last cycle

j0rge•5/15/23, 5:59 PM

it won't work for us but I don't remember why

Jj0rge I looked into these firstboot services last cycle

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:00 PM

You mean yafti, right?

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:00 PM

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutoFirstBootServices

AutoFirstBootServices

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:00 PM

no this thing

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:00 PM

Ahh it seems similar to yafti, but silent. Probably more limited.

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:01 PM

Regarding device rules... Our 70-u2f.rules70-u2f.rules is a bit wonky too, which is a separate issue to look at later... It currently requires the plugdevplugdev group. Here's what a Fedora dev said about that:

Sure, we must entirely get rid of that crap. "plugdev" is a very misguided
and fundamentally wrong Ubuntuism. Fedora must not solve problems that way,
we do not put users in system groups to grant access to devices, especially
do not define non-sensical groups like: "the group of users that can plug
devices into the system".

Fedora uses individually managed ACLs for granting ordinary user access
to devices. The ACLs are seat (multiple users working simultaneously on
the same host), and they track session activity. It depends on the type
of devices how to hook up the device in the ACL handling:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/login/70-uaccess.rules

Please just patch the rules not to use "plugdev" at all, we can do better and
don't want "plugdev" in Fedora. Thanks!

Source: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=815093#c4

Jj0rge no this thing

bsherman•5/15/23, 6:02 PM

i looked into the source on pagure...

some of the default functionality it ships is definitely not helpful for us... but it could provide a semi-standard hook... that's assuming it's included in rpm-ostree images and not just on workstation, etc

AArcitec Ahh it seems similar to yafti, but silent. Probably more limited.

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:02 PM

I think we'd want to use it to launch yafti perhaps, more to replace the dotfile thing we're doing now

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:02 PM

we should look at it with fresh eyes though

Jj0rge I think we'd want to use it to launch yafti perhaps, more to replace the dotfile...

bsherman•5/15/23, 6:03 PM

exactly what i was thinking, a more "standard" way to launch yafti vs rolling our own

bsherman•5/15/23, 6:03 PM

but not urgent at all

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:03 PM

yeah when I was looking at the example was layering a codec package and I was like that's going to be a hard pass for me dawg.

Jj0rge I think we'd want to use it to launch yafti perhaps, more to replace the dotfile...

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:03 PM

Yeah it might be useful, if it's capable of running yafti on every login. Since yafti needs to re-run whenever yafti.ymlyafti.yml changes.

Jj0rge yeah when I was looking at the example was layering a codec package and I was li...

bsherman•5/15/23, 6:03 PM

yep, that would have to be disabled for sure

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:03 PM

yeah plus also it's there now by default, one less thing for us to break

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:04 PM

Yep, let's hope it can do "every login" actions.

bsherman•5/15/23, 6:04 PM

akmods: urgent
redoing first-boot: *not urgent"

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:04 PM

right, also this is 39 only

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:04 PM

so probably post-rebase-to-official images

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:04 PM

I suspect that the Fedora thing will be too limited for us though. They probably only support shell stuff that doesn't require a GUI. Running before the user has logged in. Would be my guess.

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:04 PM

actually, anyone got a few minutes now? let's give the board some love and milestone some crap

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:05 PM

https://github.com/orgs/ublue-os/projects/1

GitHub

Project Goals • ublue-os

Broad features and roadmap

bsherman•5/15/23, 6:05 PM

oh sure why not

bsherman•5/15/23, 6:05 PM

i'm waiting for builds so i can reboot

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:06 PM

I'll have a look and help in any discussions we're having about the board.

I don't know enough about the main repos yet to say whether something is already done etc.

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:06 PM

it's ok let's just capture and triage, I'll scrummaster until someone who knows what they're actually doing shows up

pythoner6•5/15/23, 6:07 PM

One thing I've noticed about yafti: it creates the file that keeps it from rerunning regardless of how it exits. Whether you've visited all the pages, or closed it manually, or it crashes (this was happening to me because I was experimenting adding my own custom pages). Is that intentional? Seems like that behavior could be a little btter.

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:07 PM

We need to sort out how to connect vscode to boxes, set up devcontainers, all of that stuff.

That's an interesting one. I've been hearing that VSCode flatpak with remote-containersremote-containers extension can run things inside podman containers very easily.

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:07 PM

https://github.com/ublue-os/main/issues/206

GitHub

Standardize firstboot experience with Fedora · Issue #206 · ublue-o...

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutoFirstBootServices This is for F39 so let's investigate after the switch to official images.

Ppythoner6 One thing I've noticed about yafti: it creates the file that keeps it from rerun...

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:08 PM

Yeah it makes a "last run" file after you progress at least 1 page into the process. I'd say it's working fine since people who abort the process shouldn't be pestered by it.

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:08 PM

ok so each issue can be targetted to a milestone (that's the F39 on the right side of the page), so if you just tag issues for F39 it'll add them to the board and then we prioritize from there

bsherman•5/15/23, 6:09 PM

so F39 is stuff now and up til F39 launches?

bsherman•5/15/23, 6:09 PM

but may apply to F38?

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:09 PM

yeah so what I am going to do is put every fedora version in the milestones

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:10 PM

I could make a ticket in main for discussions about best way to integrate VSCode. I'd love to crowdsource some knowledge about whether this solution is good:

💾ublue-dev

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:10 PM

It's on the board atm.

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:10 PM

we have a ticket, sec

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:10 PM

Oh it's not linked to a ticket.

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:10 PM

https://github.com/ublue-os/main/milestones

GitHub

Milestones - ublue-os/main

An OCI base image of Fedora with batteries included - Milestones - ublue-os/main

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:11 PM

yeah so the limitation, it's per repo, and the board is off of "main" right now

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:11 PM

Ahhh

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:11 PM

so if it needs to be on the board it has to be in the

main

main

repo

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:11 PM

https://github.com/ublue-os/main/milestones

GitHub

Milestones - ublue-os/main

An OCI base image of Fedora with batteries included - Milestones - ublue-os/main

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:11 PM

so the idea is, whatever we want to do for F39 we do for F39, and then if we don't make it we retag it to F40, repeat forever

ArcitecOP•5/15/23, 6:12 PM

Yeah. Are we able to link this to a ticket in

main

main

? https://github.com/orgs/ublue-os/projects/1/views/1?pane=issue&itemId=22693597

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:12 PM

the due dates on that page are set to the expected release date of that fedora release (which they publish way ahead of time) so that should be good enough

j0rge•5/15/23, 6:12 PM

yeah that's an old one, what we should do is delete it and start a proper ticket

Yeah, I was just thinking that when Yafti is more mature, it might be useful to have it in main to d

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