Cloudflare Developers•3y ago

Postmark's pricing is really bad. Why not use AWS SES?

Ddave Postmark's pricing is really bad. Why not use AWS SES?

sathoro•5/20/23, 6:52 PM

Deliverability is completely different between those two services. I've used both in prod before

Ssathoro Deliverability is completely different between those two services. I've used bot...

daveOP•5/20/23, 6:53 PM

you have bad deliverability with SES?

Ddave you have bad deliverability with SES? 😮

sathoro•5/20/23, 6:53 PM

yes and other annoying things

sathoro•5/20/23, 6:53 PM

SES is like spam heaven

Ssathoro yes and other annoying things

daveOP•5/20/23, 6:54 PM

did you set up custom MAIL FROM?

Ddave did you set up custom MAIL FROM?

sathoro•5/20/23, 6:54 PM

everything was done as recommend best practices

daveOP•5/20/23, 6:55 PM

so weird. We seem to be getting dedicated IPs or something from SES (I can't find anything when I search for the IPs online).

Ssathoro everything was done as recommend best practices

daveOP•5/20/23, 7:47 PM

How/when did you notice the problems? We do things kinda similar to you folks it seems, worried we're going to run into the same issue too.

daveOP•5/20/23, 7:50 PM

ah crap

Ddave How/when did you notice the problems? We do things kinda similar to you folks it...

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:39 AM

This was with a different startup a few years back and I just sort of vowed not to use SES again

Ddave ah crap

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:40 AM

SORBS blacklist is pretty meaningless tho

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:41 AM

we use Postmark for marketing emails too and I know it works well because we get around 50% open rate

Ssathoro This was with a different startup a few years back and I just sort of vowed not ...

daveOP•5/21/23, 4:42 AM

hmm, I have yet to have any of our emails ever end up in spam, but we have not done anything at scale. Kinda nervous for when some alpha stuff goes live on Monday.

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:42 AM

and never had a single complaint about missed transactions emails

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:42 AM

I also found their account suspensions and reviews annoying

Ssathoro and never had a single complaint about missed transactions emails

daveOP•5/21/23, 4:44 AM

do/did you send our marketing emails too though?

Ddave do/did you send our marketing emails too though?

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:44 AM

yes on SES we were building marketing software

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:45 AM

if you are sending transactional only you will be sending from the same IPs as a bunch of SES spammers and might as well use Postmark imo

daveOP•5/21/23, 4:45 AM

with my role as supreme dictator (aka 100% of funding lol) at my company, we have a strict no-email marketing policy.

Ddave with my role as supreme dictator (aka 100% of funding lol) at my company, we hav...

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:46 AM

you don't even email your users to let them know about new features?

Ssathoro you don't even email your users to let them know about new features?

daveOP•5/21/23, 4:47 AM

the plan is to eventually do personal 1:1 emails for everyone.

Ddave the plan is to eventually do personal 1:1 emails for everyone.

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:49 AM

whatever works for you

we have about 10k users and we like to keep them updated every 1-2 weeks about the new features we release

Ssathoro whatever works for you 😁 we have about 10k users and we like to keep them updat...

daveOP•5/21/23, 4:49 AM

yeah if we take on VC funding I've accepted I probably won't always get my way lol.

Ddave yeah if we take on VC funding I've accepted I probably won't always get my way l...

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:51 AM

I wouldn't be so worried about it lol people find value in getting these emails we get a ton of replies saying thank you

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:51 AM

You can even put an unsubscribe link at the very top of the email. We did that on our first newsletter

Ssathoro whatever works for you 😁 we have about 10k users and we like to keep them updat...

daveOP•5/21/23, 4:52 AM

(40 hours * 2 people) / 10k = almost ~30 seconds per email. Seems doable.

Ssathoro I wouldn't be so worried about it lol people find value in getting these emails ...

daveOP•5/21/23, 4:52 AM

hmm interesting. I personally get so annoyed at random emails.

Ddave (40 hours * 2 people) / 10k = almost ~30 seconds per email. Seems doable.

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:53 AM

how are you going to spend only 30 seconds per email??

sathoro•5/21/23, 4:53 AM

To update them on the dozen features from the last 2 weeks?

Ssathoro You can even put an unsubscribe link at the very top of the email. We did that o...

daveOP•5/21/23, 4:53 AM

yep we also will have the unsubscribe header. (I know it doesn't work at first.)

Ppi0 i was following an old tutorial and the user used `wrangler preview --watch` wha...

Hello, I’m Allie!•5/21/23, 7:28 AM

Probably just

wrangler dev

wrangler dev

? It’s been a while, so I don’t know 100% remember exactly what preview did…

defido 👊⛽•5/21/23, 7:38 AM

non-contract services

defido 👊⛽•5/21/23, 7:39 AM

Has anyone ever heard of non-contract services for stream/images or any other similar CF product? Just wondering what kind of level people goto before getting "free of metered usage fees"

defido 👊⛽•5/21/23, 7:39 AM

Quite an interesting concept.

EDIT: Never mind it just means you can test the product not have a contract without usage fees.

Walshy•5/21/23, 7:49 AM

it's the hex string in the URL

Walshy•5/21/23, 7:49 AM

https://dash.cloudflare.com/4e599df4216133509abaac54b109a647/workers-and-pages

https://dash.cloudflare.com/4e599df4216133509abaac54b109a647/workers-and-pages

for example, my account ID is

4e599df4216133509abaac54b109a647

4e599df4216133509abaac54b109a647

Walshy•5/21/23, 7:50 AM

docs look up to date though

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DaniFoldi•5/21/23, 9:39 AM

?tcp-proxy

DaniFoldi•5/21/23, 9:39 AM

?tunnel-tcp

Flare•5/21/23, 9:39 AM

Cloudflare Tunnels use Cloudflare's proxy, which only supports proxying HTTP Traffic. If you want to use non-http applications over your tunnel, Cloudflare has a few other options:

For a few specific protocols such as SSH, RDP, and SMB, Cloudflare has guides on how to set them up with Tunnels and Cloudflare Access:
https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/applications/non-http/

For Arbitrary TCP like Minecraft, MySQL, and any other application, Cloudflare has a guide on how to get it working with

cloudflared

cloudflared

:https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/applications/non-http/arbitrary-tcp/

Please note for all of these except SSH and VNC which can be browser-rendered, you will either need to use

cloudflared

cloudflared

(Cloudflare's tunnel daemon) on the client machine running in the background or Private Networking with WARP, and have WARP installed on the client machine logged into your Zero Trust Team.

DaniFoldi•5/21/23, 9:39 AM

there you go

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DaniFoldi•5/21/23, 9:40 AM

basically you can't proxy non-http by default, you either have to expose your origin or have clients also use cloudflared

DaniFoldi•5/21/23, 9:42 AM

(or use spectrum, which is $1/GB, gets rather expensive for minecraft)

Postmark's pricing is really bad. Why not use AWS SES?

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