Anyone know if IL2 provides Damper / Inertia / Friction effects in game, or just spring/periodic? I

Anyone know if IL2 provides Damper / Inertia / Friction effects in game, or just spring/periodic? I like some damping but trying to figure out if I'd be over-riding in game settings if I set those to Sticky.

CCapnFlint Anyone know if IL2 provides Damper / Inertia / Friction effects in game, or just...

PiNKSH!T•5/23/23, 5:11 AM

I don't have my dampening/inertia/friction set to sticky & when I fly something like the A-20 compared to a smaller bird it def feels like there's more inertia/dampening etc.

ddrake1984•5/23/23, 5:29 AM

From my play, IL-2 does not do damper / friction, but havnt tested inertia

walmis•5/23/23, 7:00 AM

You can check the Debug tab when in game - it lists all loaded effects from the game

PiNKSH!T•5/23/23, 11:03 AM

what's the code to update the telem app again?

TheZoq2•5/23/23, 1:55 PM

git pullgit pull? https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508/1101542203895062638

PPiNKSH!T I don't have my dampening/inertia/friction set to sticky & when I fly something ...

CapnFlintOP•5/23/23, 2:29 PM

I definitely notice heavier spring forces in some planes. For example P-38 has less roll force required, I assume/hope because of the hydraulic ailerons

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walmis•5/23/23, 2:57 PM

Yeah it's an easy fix. Apply adhesive/superglue on 3 sides of the connector and pop on the plastic part.

LeLv30_Superbus•5/23/23, 7:15 PM

FWIW I had this happen to mine too and glue has held so far.

LLeLv30_Superbus I don't know how trim works in a real UH-60L but you can trim it just like a Hue...

Reed•5/25/23, 12:31 AM

how do i get this to work exactly???

Reed•5/25/23, 1:31 AM

Do i need to use the override trim feature or is it specified in the config.ini for teleffb?

Number481•5/25/23, 1:42 AM

Use the force trim settings in configurator to set it up how you want it (but not the “sticky” option). If a module doesn’t have force trim FFB, you can use those bindings to use the force trim. If a module supports it, it will override what you have set in configurator (unless you have “sticky” enabled)

Volk•5/25/23, 8:08 AM

I might have missed a beat, but is the firmware still updated via the https://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/ ? I'm not seeing a Connect button

amadeus•5/25/23, 8:21 AM

Are you using a browser that supports web usb?

Volk•5/25/23, 8:22 AM

ah, see it now, thanks

fastjet273•5/25/23, 1:31 PM

I completly got rid of stick oscilations when gains are >40% witht the current filter setting on the Friction:

fastjet273•5/25/23, 1:31 PM

Ffastjet273 I completly got rid of stick oscilations when gains are >40% witht the current f...

amadeus•5/25/23, 3:40 PM

Does that not have any other weird side effects tho?

amadeus•5/25/23, 3:41 PM

I feel like low filter like that might create a weird sort of lag effect, but not tested a value this low

walmis•5/25/23, 4:06 PM

Yeah, it's too low. It better to increase the bandwitdth and tune the PID parameters

amadeus•5/25/23, 4:29 PM

Is it one of those things that’s possible to fix if you invest the time? Or is it generally just a problem with friction as an effect?

Reed•5/25/23, 4:34 PM

This sounds weird but how do I make the force of the spring more linear. I've added some dampening to make it not bounce around the center so much, but adding some linearity would be awesome, it seems to ramp up the spring tension very aggressive right outside the center of the stick.

Reed•5/25/23, 4:35 PM

I only fly helicopters, so trying to mimic that configuration.

walmis•5/25/23, 4:37 PM

Well It should be pretty linear, but you can always tune with spring mapping tool

walmis•5/25/23, 4:37 PM

Reed•5/25/23, 4:39 PM

I did see that and I may be expressing my thoughts the wrong way, lol.

Reed•5/25/23, 4:39 PM

Ill give it a try.

Reed•5/25/23, 4:39 PM

Thanks for the hardwork

RReed This sounds weird but how do I make the force of the spring more linear. I've ad...

amadeus•5/25/23, 4:43 PM

If you crank up the spring dampening thing in the tab with the overall effect effect percentages (not the screen where you apply effects, the other tab), it basically gets rid of all the springy-ness around the center. I have mine set to 100% and I love it, creates an effect of something mechanical, not attached to a spring

Reed•5/25/23, 4:45 PM

Show me

amadeus•5/25/23, 4:45 PM

Not at any computer atm so can’t unfort

amadeus•5/25/23, 4:45 PM

I have this screenshot that I sent to a friend a while back

Reed•5/25/23, 4:47 PM

perfect and thanks

Volk•5/25/23, 7:42 PM

I must be missing something. Running latest firmware, stick is calibrated. When I trim (Ka-50/DCS), the diamond almost always moves 3mm forwards after I've trimmed

Volk•5/25/23, 7:42 PM

as in I hit trim, and then I feel the stick slip forwards a bit after releasing trim

Volk•5/25/23, 7:43 PM

Usually it's the forwards direction, regardless of if I've pulled the stick backwards or pushed it forwards

walmis•5/25/23, 7:44 PM

Maybe it's the weight pulling it down?

Volk•5/25/23, 7:45 PM

not necessarily - deflection maybe 80% forwards doesn't move as much as say 50% forwards

Volk•5/25/23, 7:45 PM

I do hear the clicks in-sim, and after that there's movement - enough to pitch it down

Volk•5/25/23, 7:46 PM

sometimes the deflection after trim is towards the centre if I trim say left-to-right

walmis•5/25/23, 7:47 PM

Curves in DCS might cause issues with trim also. The blue circle in VPforce tool indicates the actual trimmed position the joystick sees. So might be a good idea to check that first to troubleshoot.

Volk•5/25/23, 7:49 PM

zero curves/sat/deadzone in DCS

Volk•5/25/23, 7:50 PM

ok. interesting. so I had the tension knob on 45% and on maybe 10% (2 beeps-ish from zero)

Volk•5/25/23, 7:51 PM

When I trim it at 90% forward or back cyclic (yes, the helo is looping), it hardly moves at all in any configuration. But the more normal deflections there is some movement after the click of releasing trim. Usually forwards, sometimes inwards.

Volk•5/25/23, 7:52 PM

I did also find once or twice now (don't think I experienced it before) that after releasing trim it slides one direction after trim and then jumps back - this physically being done by the stick itself

Volk•5/25/23, 7:53 PM

Increased tension has some effect in mitigating this, but e.g. going down to 10% tension from 45 doesn't make that post-trim movement like x3 times further

Volk•5/25/23, 7:56 PM

In the configurator I'm seeing the same behaviour

Volk•5/25/23, 7:56 PM

blue dot slips off-centre from the circle after trim

walmis•5/25/23, 7:57 PM

Generally for best performance you'd need to adjust the balance spring and/or static force so that the stick roughly holds position without any spring forces.
But in any case a proper trim should indicate the center dot should be inside the center point circle:

Volk•5/25/23, 7:59 PM

Volk•5/25/23, 7:59 PM

current config. This is with the tension knob half-way - trimmed, left the stick and you can see the blue dot alignment

Anyone know if IL2 provides Damper / Inertia / Friction effects in game, or just spring/periodic? I

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