@t_oll @_gunzablazin I suggest designing for the belt size you want or can get. Htd5 15mm belts are

@t_oll @_gunzablazin I suggest designing for the belt size you want or can get. Htd5 15mm belts are available here in Australia for not much and start at about 180mm length and go up in 5-10mm increments. Depending on the belt they have steel or fibre reinforcements. Once you drill them the belt probably wouldn't last long due to the stress concentration. Clamping is an option which is done in linear systems.

Number481•6/1/23, 12:58 AM

Update for anyone interested.. This is where I'm at trying to adapt the design to belt driven. I had to reduce the gear ratio to 4:1 (60T/15T) in order to get the pulleys to fit, and to seem like I had enough teeth engaging the belt on the small pulley. I might be able to go down to a 14, but a 12 or 13 tooth wouldn't have many teeth engaged.

I could, of course, make the whole thing bigger.. but I have to consider the print volume of my printer (180mm3 Prusa Mini).

Not really concerned about lack of force at 4:1 vs 5:1 or 6:1, was just thinking that the farther I can drive the motor, the more precision I'll have on the axis.

Number481•6/1/23, 12:59 AM

@walmis Maybe we need a DIY Projects channel so people like me don't muddy up the General channel showing off their science projects

NNumber481 @walmis Maybe we need a DIY Projects channel so people like me don't muddy up th...

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/1/23, 1:53 AM

in the meantime you could make a new post in #

knowledge-base for it

NNumber481 @walmis Maybe we need a DIY Projects channel so people like me don't muddy up th...

mechsicko•6/1/23, 2:42 AM

This is the the showcase channel basically is

papiplanes•6/1/23, 3:13 AM

Question, I got on the waitlist twice. Will my first submission count for my spot in line?

Ppapiplanes Question, I got on the waitlist twice. Will my first submission count for my spo...

walmis•6/1/23, 4:27 AM

Sure

NNumber481 @walmis Maybe we need a DIY Projects channel so people like me don't muddy up th...

walmis•6/1/23, 4:28 AM

FYI Rhino has 12T pulleys

CComrade_Weng @t_oll @_gunzablazin I suggest designing for the belt size you want or can get. ...

Troll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴•6/1/23, 5:26 AM

I appreciate your concern, however, the pulley can turn 70° either way, before the screw becomes the bearing part of the belt. It will only turn 20° so worst case, 13 belt cogs will be sharing the load with the screw. The screw (and washer) is basically just pulling the belt down to the pulley. It won’t be seeing much of the belt tension. But, as always, if it doesn’t work I’ll just redesign.

NNumber481 Update for anyone interested.. This is where I'm at trying to adapt the design ...

slowmover•6/1/23, 5:40 AM

I am really interested for this project. I am fallowing

slowmover•6/1/23, 6:35 AM

I will suggest to put the motor inside the base under the metal tube to save some space

VPforceBot•6/1/23, 7:21 AM

:package:

RHINO #0107 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•6/1/23, 7:21 AM

:package:

RHINO #0110 Has Shipped!

Bob Bushman•6/1/23, 8:00 AM

"Three hundred and eighty-five bottles of beer in the wall.
Take one down, pass it around. Drink it all down.
Three hundred and eighty-four bottles of beer in the wall"

VPforceBot•6/1/23, 8:41 AM

:package:

RHINO #0115 Has Shipped!

AndyHill•6/1/23, 11:16 AM

sounds like a party

VPforceBot•6/1/23, 12:58 PM

:package:

RHINO #0118 Has Shipped!

Wwalmis FYI Rhino has 12T pulleys

Number481•6/1/23, 1:11 PM

Sure enough it does... I have my shrouds covering mine up and was too lazy to remove them so I was looking at pictures from the photo spread on imgur, which looks like it had 20T gears on it

walmis•6/1/23, 1:17 PM

Yeah, the first few rhinos had slightly larger pulleys

Asdforce•6/1/23, 3:23 PM

105 made it home

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Asdforce•6/1/23, 3:24 PM

Now to rebuild the whole rig to accommodate it

Jehly•6/1/23, 4:04 PM

Man those things are flying off the shelves now!

Boosted•6/2/23, 1:37 AM

don't jinx it, lol

NNumber481 Update for anyone interested.. This is where I'm at trying to adapt the design ...

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:03 AM

You can also add loadcell which would allow for way smooth resistance or damping effects

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:05 AM

Like the simucube pedals

SSwiftVengeance You can also add loadcell which would allow for way smooth resistance or damping...

Number481•6/2/23, 2:15 AM

How so? I'm not familiar with the pedals (or much of anything sim-racing related), but my understanding of what a load cell does, doesn't seem to have an application here. But I'd be happy to glue one in there somewhere if it meant I could charge $2200 for a collective

... I thought flight sims were expensive

FWIW, the dampening/friction effects on the Rhino are pretty damn good.

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:21 AM

I haven't played with this personally yet but I imagine that the loadcell would provide a lot more accurate motor load sensing. You would figure out a formula for the relation between the motor amperage and loadcell output weight then just use the loadcell output for regular use and and a hall sensor for motor protection or calibration

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:35 AM

I think the benefits of using a motor on a collective are minimal and the extra cost doesn't justify it

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:37 AM

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5230017

Helicopter Collective with inter-changeable heads by Thick8

This is the collective I designed. There are several build videos of the base unit assembly. I will do some videos of the heads in the coming weeks.
I'm using Teensy 2.0 boards because they are small and easy to personalize with your own PID/VID combo, as well as name it. I will do a vid of the programming procedure and provide the modded librar...

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:38 AM

a collective like this that has a spring to hold the head up and a bit of resistance does the same thing at no extra cost

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:41 AM

the benefit from adding a motor would be much greater on a pedal set or joystick that can have multiple uses like simulating the rudder or stick of a helicopter vs a ww2 plane vs a plane that uses force sensing or creating your own spring profiles etc

Number481•6/2/23, 2:42 AM

Any helicopter enthusiast would disagree vehemently that "a spring and some resistance" makes for a suitable collective.

Is a FFB collective going to make me a better sim heli-pilot? No, absolutely not. Is it going to be fk'n cool? Yes.. yes it is.

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:42 AM

because if I could just buy one rudder set for example that can do everything that would save me a lot of money or time if I like to fly different stuff

NNumber481 Any helicopter enthusiast would disagree vehemently that "a spring and some resi...

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:44 AM

Ok well I just cant think of any benefits it would have over a mechanical spring and resistance collective

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:50 AM

like I would only use my collective for only flying helicopters and its easy enough to make a mechanical system that works really well just for that specific purpose

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:51 AM

while a joystick I need it for everything like flyng my helciopter,plane spacship etc

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:55 AM

like I'm not tryng to be mean or anything im just sayng what I think as a sim enthusiast

Number481•6/2/23, 2:56 AM

I mean.. I'm not going to try to convince you that you need a FFB collective. By that same logic, a throttle quadrant serves fine as a collective too. Many people who don't focus on heli's do so.. and thats fine.

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:57 AM

a throttle quadrant isnt the best as a collective because it has no spring so you have to use a really high resistance to keep the collective head up which doesn't feel very nice and can have stiction

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 2:58 AM

if you could add a spring to the throttle quadrant whenever you want to use it as a collective then that would work

Number481•6/2/23, 3:01 AM

you lost me with the spring.... a collective stays where you move it

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 3:02 AM

yeah but normally it wants to fall down because of gravity

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 3:03 AM

so you etheir have to use lots of resistance to keep it from falling or add a spring to equalize the weight and then a bit of resistance for feel

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 3:04 AM

when you just use resistance then when your pulling it up you can feel more resistance then when your pushing it down which feels weird

Number481•6/2/23, 3:08 AM

thats why people make counterbalanced designs. Hydraulic dampening is superior to friction as well. My current (DIY) collective is counterbalanced and uses a rotary damper to provide dampening. Its a 3D printed monstrosity, but it performs better than anything you'd get from Virpil or elsewhere.

This 'FFB' design I am working on will be far superior to my current in-use design.

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 3:10 AM

the spring does the same function as counter balance

Number481•6/2/23, 3:10 AM

Its totally fine if you don't see the point. It doesn't hurt my feelings. It won't hurt my feelings if nobody ever makes one either. The design will be made available regardless...

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 3:11 AM

well if you could tell me the point then maybe I would see it lol

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 3:11 AM

like why is the ffb design superior to counter balance

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 3:12 AM

im curious to know

SwiftVengeance•6/2/23, 3:13 AM

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/S744d0e93524b49f4aa4b5fc132f886511/Wire-Diameter-1-5mm-High-Strength-V-Shaped-Torsion-Spring-60-90-120-180-Torque-Angle.jpg_Q90.jpg_.webp

@t_oll @_gunzablazin I suggest designing for the belt size you want or can get. Htd5 15mm belts are

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