Cloudflare Developers•3y ago

i personally think the best thing for ent plan is access to cloudflare's china network

PPencilNavigator i personally think the best thing for ent plan is access to cloudflare's china n...

Chaika•7/12/23, 2:54 PM

That's not base enterprise though, need an ICP License and I believe it's an addon/extra cost

Unsmart•7/12/23, 2:54 PM

Yeah china is... special

CChaika That's not base enterprise though, need an ICP License and I believe it's an add...

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 2:55 PM

does it have unmetered ddos protection on china network

Chaika•7/12/23, 2:55 PM

no clue, that's all scary enterprise custom agreement stuff

Chaika•7/12/23, 2:55 PM

it's through JD Cloud's datacenters/etc, not through CF's own Datacenters

Unsmart•7/12/23, 2:56 PM

I doubt anything would be too different from the normal enterprise agreement its just mostly government stuff you have to deal with but no clue

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 2:56 PM

ik that

Chaika•7/12/23, 2:56 PM

i don't even know if normal enterprises get unmetered ddos protection or if it's something they pay for, maybe varies per service/attack level/etc

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 2:56 PM

https://i0.hdslb.com/bfs/new_dyn/835e88398021ce70dc922eaeab162ac112590.png@518w.webp

Chaika•7/12/23, 2:57 PM

ent agreements have ndas and other scary stuff

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 2:57 PM

jdcloud's ddos traffic charge

CChaika i don't even know if normal enterprises get unmetered ddos protection or if it's...

James•7/12/23, 2:58 PM

Yes

Unsmart•7/12/23, 2:58 PM

Only way you will really get answers is by talking to sales not much we can help in here about that stuff

CChaika That's not base enterprise though, need an ICP License and I believe it's an add...

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 2:59 PM

icp license is easy to get if you are from china

Chaika•7/12/23, 3:01 PM

is it? Interesting, look slike there's two different types as well, a filling and a license

CChaika is it? Interesting, look slike there's two different types as well, a filling an...

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:02 PM

it depends on your site type

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:03 PM

if you are an individual and want to run sth like a blog or a self host network storage, then its pretty easy

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:04 PM

u just need your ID (scan both side), photo of you holding the id, and a agreement or sth that you need to sign

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:06 PM

for business then it's probably harder. Depends on type ICP license may not be the only thing you need to get

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:07 PM

e.g. https://bilibili.com a famous chinese video site (like youtube)
this is on their footer (full of licenses)

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:07 PM

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:11 PM

If it's translated it looks sth like this

Business License Information / Network Transmission of Audiovisual Programs License: 0910417 / Network Culture Operation License 沪网文【2019】3804-274 No. / Radio and Television Program Production and Operation License: (HU) No. 01248 / Value-added Telecommunications Business License 沪B2-20100043
/ Internet ICP License: Shanghai ICP No. 13002172-3 / Publication License 沪批字第U6699号 / Internet Medical Information Service Qualification Certificate 沪-非经营性-2022-0011 / Business Performance License 沪市文演（经）00-2253 |
Undesirable information reporting mailbox: help@bilibili.com Incidents involving teenagers (under 18) reporting mailbox: teenprotect@bilibili.com
Shanghai Internet Reporting Center |12345 Government Service Hotline |
Shanghai public network security preparation 31011002002436 | child pornography information reporting area | anti- pornography and combating illegal reporting
Online harmful information reporting area:
China Internet Illegal and Undesirable Information Reporting Center Dear friends, the Shanghai police anti-fraud dissuasive telephone "96110" is specifically designed to avoid your property is damaged by fraud and set up, please once you receive the call, immediately answer.
Company Name: Shanghai Broad Entertainment Digital Technology Co., Ltd | Company Address: No. 489 Zhengli Road, Yangpu District, Shanghai | Tel: 021-25099888

Chaika•7/12/23, 3:12 PM

that's like 10 licenses lol

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:13 PM

yup, so depends on type it may not only requires a ICP license

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:15 PM

baidu, a search engine, has an Internet Religious Information Service License

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:15 PM

but anyways ICP license is the minimum requirement to legally run a website in china

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:16 PM

ofc you can serve your website outside china to avoid this issue but it will likely get blocked by the GFW if traffic went up

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 3:19 PM

there are also many ways GFW uses to block traffic for certain sites, for cloudflare protected sites they use SNI block (also perodically blocking traffic to cloudflare IPs), for google they blocked all google IPs, etc.

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PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 4:12 PM

ESNI packs will simply just get dropped before getting out of china route

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 4:13 PM

ECH is based on DoH which gets blocked too just like DoT

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 4:14 PM

well they managed to block it

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 4:14 PM

not only, the IPs too

Chaika•7/12/23, 4:15 PM

ech isn't based on doh or require it either, but I'm guessing they could somewhat easily block all connections with encrypted sni or encrypted client hello with deep packet inspection

CChaika ech isn't based on doh or require it either, but I'm guessing they could somewha...

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 4:15 PM

yes

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 4:15 PM

connections are blocked if sth like esni is detected

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 4:15 PM

just to note esni works fine inside china network

PencilNavigatorOP•7/12/23, 4:16 PM

but going out of china network it likely won't work

Chaika•7/12/23, 4:18 PM

apparently it's not a simple matter of inspecting the packets, at least according to google, and I guess ech/esni was designed to literally counter that. ECH has really low adoption right now eitherway

EErisa https://developers.cloudflare.com/ddos-protection/managed-rulesets/http/configur...

lokiwind•7/12/23, 5:00 PM

Erisa hello, when using this api, the ddos_l7 ddos_l7 ruleset kindkind should be "zonezone", right?

lokiwind•7/12/23, 5:01 PM

I didn't see it in the documentation

fleabeard•7/12/23, 5:54 PM

Anyone know if it's possible to self-host subdomain.website.comsubdomain.website.com while simultaneously hosting website.comwebsite.com through Cloudflare's DNS?

Ffleabeard Anyone know if it's possible to self-host `subdomain.website.com` while simultan...

Chaika•7/12/23, 5:56 PM

Self-host DNS for it? Yea, you can create NS Records in Cloudflare to delegate the subdomain to your own nameservers.
If you just mean a normal web server (a/aaaa/cname), then yea you can just create those records unproxied

CChaika Self-host DNS for it? Yea, you can create NS Records in Cloudflare to delegate t...

fleabeard•7/12/23, 5:57 PM

Thanks, I think the first is what I'm after. My domain is hosted on Cloudflare, but I want to self-host a subdomain from my own server at home. So a NS record is what I would want to use here?

Chaika•7/12/23, 5:59 PM

What do you mean "self-host a subdomain"? Do you want to host the DNS for it (like with bind or powerdns), or do you want to just serve a non-proxied (i.e straight to your origin, not through Cloudflare) Web Server/other type of server?

CChaika What do you mean "self-host a subdomain"? Do you want to host the DNS for it (li...

fleabeard•7/12/23, 6:05 PM

Hmm, that's a good question lol. Currently my root website.com is proxied through Cloudflare to my Linode VPS. I was hoping to point (hopefully proxied) to my self-hosted server for the subdomain.com website. I believe pfSense has a Dynamic DDNS function for Cloudflare to do this but I'm not entirely sure how to plumb it all to get it working. If that makes sense?

Ffleabeard Hmm, that's a good question lol. Currently my root website.com is proxied throug...

Chaika•7/12/23, 6:09 PM

That makes sense yea, your initial wording made me think you were trying to do something different.
Cloudflare offers something called Cloudflare Tunnels, which you can install on your self-hosted server, they establish an outbound connection to Cloudflare, and then proxy requests to your local web server. They are very handy for self-hosting, they don't require any port forwarding or dynamic dns, they don't care at all if your IP changes since they connect outbound: https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/connections/connect-apps/install-and-setup/tunnel-guide/remote/

Alternatively, you could use something like dynamic dns utlity with Cloudflare support and port forward either proxied or unproxied

Via the dashboard · Cloudflare Zero Trust docs

Follow this step-by-step guide to get your first tunnel up and running using Zero Trust.

fleabeard•7/12/23, 6:10 PM

Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm a newb at all of this so my wording will be problematic

fleabeard•7/12/23, 6:16 PM

I guess what I need is the temporary IPv4 Address. I think it used to be

1.1.1.1

1.1.1.1

but was changed. Do you happen to know what that would be?

fleabeard•7/12/23, 6:16 PM

Following this as a guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GYs61ThGBM

i personally think the best thing for ent plan is access to cloudflare's china network

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