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orslow

orslow
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Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc16mo ago
I swear by their fatigue pants, 107 jeans, and outerwear in general. Extremely durable materials and feel great over time.
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae16mo ago
Their French Work pants and New Yorker pants are also sublime
Dev
Dev16mo ago
I picked up their type 1 last season, the denim is papery and slubby and soft all at once. It’s cropped and v boxy and one of those pieces I really look forward to wearing.
TheComebackKid
TheComebackKid16mo ago
My army pullover shirt is still one of my favorite pieces
rej
rej16mo ago
Wear #1 to wear #? Reaching the territory of patina'd -> beat to shit
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bustin_janks
bustin_janks16mo ago
i love my 105s so much that my only gripe is how absurdly tiny the pockets are
gina
gina16mo ago
orslow
evolsirhc
evolsirhc16mo ago
orslow
evolsirhc
evolsirhc16mo ago
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evolsirhc
evolsirhc16mo ago
they need to bring these back
nik
nik16mo ago
Is it TTS?
Dev
Dev16mo ago
Kafka Mercantile
Type 1 Denim Jacket - One Year Wash at Kafka Mercantile
The Type 1 Denim Jacket One Year Wash by orSlow pays homage to the original Type-1 worker jacket which was introduced back in 1936. The jacket is made up in a One Year Washed Japanese Denim and features a regular collar, pleated front, single chest pocket with flap and button and a cinch belt at rear.- 100% Cotton- Inspired By 1936 Original Type...
Dev
Dev16mo ago
Kafka has good measurements for it
quantum
quantum16mo ago
I love their stuff, I have some fatigues, but I have a hard time predicting the fit of used/vintage stuff because they seem to change the sizing every couple years.
book
book16mo ago
these are still some of the hardest pants orslow has ever made and i'm so sad the sizing didn't work for me: https://totemshop.com/products/orslow-m-47-french-army-cargo-pants-unisex-black?variant=40303753461869
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orSlow M-47 FRENCH ARMY CARGO PANTS (UNISEX) - Black - Totem Brand Co.
100% Cotton Made in Japan. 1 2 3 4 Waist 30" 31" 33" 34" Rise 11" 11.5" 12" 12.5" Thigh...
Zachary
Zachary16mo ago
Wow those are dope
havensk
havensk16mo ago
I love every orslow piece I have. I think my new favorites are the oxford painter pants from last year with the cord detail on the waistband I seriously do own the orslow book if that tells you anything
Zachary
Zachary16mo ago
There's an Orslow book?
havensk
havensk16mo ago
Goods
OrSlow
Japanese OrSlow are producers of paramount workwear and military inspired garments. What they do so well is changing the original fits for the better and simplifying the utilitarian look. The quality is unsurpassed and the silhouette is one that deserves a regular place in any modern man's wardrobe. The “orSlow" book g
havensk
havensk16mo ago
sorry this was the first link that came up I got it discounted on TBB a few years ago
Zachary
Zachary16mo ago
I'm jealous, that's super cool. Welp new eBay saved search
havensk
havensk16mo ago
yea its just kinda a fun little thing to own they've really branched out offering-wise since they published the book. It only covers their denim, jackets and fatigues
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae16mo ago
Yo I need this
havensk
havensk16mo ago
its really cool if it isn't obvious the spine wrap is a swatch of their denim
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae16mo ago
I was wondering haha. Dang this is going on the list
punchouli
punchouli16mo ago
i got a reversible flecktarn vest from them 3 or 4 years ago, I've gone through 2 pairs of fatigues since then after wearing them into their graves orslow da best
Manuel
Manuel16mo ago
I recently bought a pair of their wool fatigues on marrkt and love them (although they’re a bit slimmer than I expected).
leroideskiki
leroideskiki16mo ago
I am currently in Tokyo for holidays, do you some good stores where I can buy the orslow fatigue pants ?
evolsirhc
evolsirhc16mo ago
there’s a store list on their website: http://orslow.jp/store/
取り扱いストア一覧 | オアスロウ公式サイト | orSlow official Site
originalityのある服を吟味しもの創りをする。ワーク・ミリタリーといった多くの人々から愛され支持され続けている定番服を、私たちのフィルターを通してslowにデザインしていく。
leroideskiki
leroideskiki15mo ago
I came back from three different Beam stores and the answer was the same, the orslow fatigue pants is sold out everywhere Edit: I wrote to Orslow and thanks to them I just find it in a cool store from Kyoto, what a journey !
No one
No one15mo ago
I'm tempted by a pair of their French work pants but I can't decide whether to play it safe and get navy or push my comfort zone and get the ecru ones.
himbilbibli
himbilbibli15mo ago
Ecru pants are a lot of fun Very versatile and great for dark tops that might feel harder to pair with bottoms
evolsirhc
evolsirhc15mo ago
if the french blue pair are an option, you should get those
awburkey
awburkey15mo ago
Ecru pants are actually super easy to wear. Way more bark than bite
Zachary
Zachary15mo ago
Speaking of work pants does anyone know where I could find the Orslow x Canoe Club french blue work pants from last year in a size 3? I've had a saved ebay search for a while with no hits. Actually they're fatigues
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae15mo ago
Ecru pants might be easier to wear than navy pants and more people need to embrace it
evolsirhc
evolsirhc15mo ago
ebay/grailed are probably your only hope haha they’ve done a good bit of orslow collabs, so maybe they’ll bring ‘em back eventually i actually bought the french blue french work pants because i gave up on finding a pair lol
No one
No one15mo ago
Just to let you all know that when I inevitably get an eye roll from my gf about getting more trousers I'm going to throw you under the bus and say the internet people made me Nah they've only got ecru, navy or beige (stone?)
Zachary
Zachary15mo ago
I'll just keep hoping then lol
evolsirhc
evolsirhc15mo ago
i’ve got the green pair they made in the same fabric and they’re so good i’d love to get the full kit for the blue collab
Zachary
Zachary15mo ago
I have the jacket and it's one of my favorites, was also hoping for the full kit
evolsirhc
evolsirhc15mo ago
hell yea
Zachary
Zachary15mo ago
the green looks nice too!
evolsirhc
evolsirhc15mo ago
chase from CC rocks the full kit together a lot and it looks so cool
Zachary
Zachary15mo ago
I don't know who's who at that store since I only shop online, but they had a great shoot on those when they came out.
havensk
havensk15mo ago
chase is on everything CC seems like a cool dude I'm not about to listen to any clothing podcasts though
havensk
havensk15mo ago
Canoe Club
orSlow | Denim & Clothing | Canoe Club
Shop Orslow denim and clothing, in-stock and ready to ship worldwide. Japanese designer Ichiro Nakatsu makes exacting tributes to denim and military vintage. Slow made heritage clothing of uncompromising quality...
havensk
havensk15mo ago
Babe wake up... New orslow dropped
Elvander
Elvander15mo ago
Coveralls as far as the eye can see. I love the 1950s cut, so easy to wear probably my fav casual jacket.
havensk
havensk15mo ago
I might get a denim one this year, I have the ecru one and I love it
Zachary
Zachary15mo ago
Dude that brown duck coverall 😍 I have a french blue one already but I might have to splurge
quantum
quantum15mo ago
For the french work pants, I've heard from stores like glasswing that it's better to size down. I don't mind them being big but not crazy big... is sizing down the consensus of everyone here as well?
Zachary
Zachary15mo ago
The glasswing description is confusing, they mention sizing down for a slimmer fit and then show a model wearing his normal size and they don't look very loose.
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quantum
quantum15mo ago
that's exactly what I thought. I don't get what they were trying to say at all. I assumed the images were of him wearing the "size down" and maybe the size info is wrong? unsure
bustin_janks
bustin_janks15mo ago
I chose the same size as my other orslow trousers and I’m happy with the fit
quantum
quantum15mo ago
It shouldn't matter too much bc it's got belt loops. I'll probably just take my standard size Thanks all 🙂
narwhal
narwhal15mo ago
I defnitely wouldn't size down I generally wear 34 waist and have a pair of navy and khaki in size 3 and they're not loose though the navy pair fits larger
quantum
quantum15mo ago
ok cool. I got my normal size. I have the fatigues and I got my normal size and they were a bit loose, I ended up using the cinch waist so I was on the fence. But I'd rather need a belt than have them be too tight.
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc15mo ago
at medium rise, dont size down it gonna stretch at the seat very much and u will end up selling it
mattw2
mattw215mo ago
Definitely don't size down.
evolsirhc
evolsirhc15mo ago
I wouldn’t size down. I usually wear 34 or size 4 in orslow and went TTS
havensk
havensk15mo ago
Only thing I've sized down in from orslow is my coverall And it's still very oversized All their stuff fits really consistently so once you've found your size just keep getting it
KissGo-Goat
KissGo-Goat15mo ago
Their pleated army chinos are kinda my perfect trouser. That I'm admiring from far away
evolsirhc
evolsirhc15mo ago
finally tracked down this bad boy
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KissGo-Goat
KissGo-Goat15mo ago
Really like the look of those chinos
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havensk
havensk15mo ago
these look great, which ones are they
KissGo-Goat
KissGo-Goat15mo ago
Two Tuck Wide Trousers Beige is what I saw them listed as I'm going to have look for an alternative for those at some point
evolsirhc
evolsirhc15mo ago
TODAY CLOTHING
ORSLOW TWO TUCK WIDE TROUSERS KHAKI
ORSLOW TWO TUCK WIDE TROUSERS KHAKI   - RELAXED, Wide FIT - zip FLY- 100% COTTON- MADE IN JAPAN
KissGo-Goat
KissGo-Goat15mo ago
Thanks, the big issue for me is sizing though.
Elvander
Elvander15mo ago
Bronson
1930s IVY Style Double Pleated Chino Trousers - Khaki
The trousers are made in the style of suit trousers, making them comfortable and decent to wear. The inner waist is hemmed, and the trouser leg has a 5 cm wide hem.
Elvander
Elvander15mo ago
careful with the sizing, cheap enough that you can experiment though I don't have that pair but quality with bronson in general, is not Orslow, but it's fine
KissGo-Goat
KissGo-Goat15mo ago
I wouldn't expect Orslow quality for that price anyway. Thank you
trackday_bro
trackday_bro15mo ago
tripped and fell into blackblue
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evolsirhc
evolsirhc15mo ago
hell yea i picked up some orslow at blkblu yesterday (and some EG)
evolsirhc
evolsirhc15mo ago
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trackday_bro
trackday_bro15mo ago
🤝
havensk
havensk15mo ago
yer gonna love the way you look yer ALSO gonna love the way you look boudda trip up on some black 105s
kalvin
kalvin15mo ago
I actually just got this pair and having trouble with the sizing. I dunno whether it's worth sizing up, cause the rise also goes up. It's already a little roomy in the crotch. https://discord.com/channels/1116793467654381685/1147576582219763936
havensk
havensk15mo ago
have you worn orslow pants before? What size are you usually?
kalvin
kalvin15mo ago
Nope. I’m usually a size 30 in trousers
havensk
havensk15mo ago
in that case, I would order from somewhere you can return just in case but a 30 is usually a 1, I wear a 4 and no matter which cut I just buy a 4 they all tend to work
kalvin
kalvin15mo ago
I’m trying out a 3 thats just waiting to be delivered. Im just not sure about the rise going up too
kalvin
kalvin15mo ago
Ive got UW high rise fatigue trousers that fit okay so I thought the orslow size 2 would fit me ok
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kalvin
kalvin15mo ago
But these in size 2 are tight and worse when I sit down lol
havensk
havensk15mo ago
you'll probably be fine, orslow is cut a lot more consistently than uw in my opinion anyway
kalvin
kalvin15mo ago
Yeah. Ill give it a go. Was keen on keeping these pants tho cause it was a pretty good sale
trackday_bro
trackday_bro15mo ago
The perfect jean
havensk
havensk15mo ago
I wear my 2 years almost too much
trackday_bro
trackday_bro15mo ago
Very sick
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Confuzzler
Confuzzler14mo ago
anyone try the coveralls? might pick one up for my japan haul but have heard that i should go with the Japan sizing rather than the US one and size down?
evolsirhc
evolsirhc14mo ago
i have two of the 40’s coveralls one in my normal size, one sized up
Confuzzler
Confuzzler14mo ago
wait sized up from the american size? confused cause some stores list the 1 as the small when its usually 2. ill probably just go with the 2 since its raglan shoulders anyways
evolsirhc
evolsirhc14mo ago
yea so i’m usually a 4, which is US L / JP XL and i’ve got a 4 and a 5 4 is good over shirts and tees, 5 works with those but also can handle a hoodie or thick flannel under it
Confuzzler
Confuzzler14mo ago
ahh okok ty!!!
evolsirhc
evolsirhc14mo ago
i’d go with your normal size
Confuzzler
Confuzzler14mo ago
gonna put in a sniper bid on yahoo 😎
evolsirhc
evolsirhc14mo ago
hell yea
havensk
havensk14mo ago
I actually sized down on my ecru coverall It's still very oversized as a 3 I usually wear a 4
evolsirhc
evolsirhc14mo ago
dang i don’t think i could’ve sized down
havensk
havensk14mo ago
I dunno I got canoe club to measure for me
havensk
havensk14mo ago
Canoe Club
OrSlow 101 Dad's Fit Denim | Black Denim Stone | Canoe Club
The 101 Dad's Fit Denim is mean't to mimic the denim made popular in the 90's for its relaxed fit and comfortable washes. The 101 features a comfortable high rise with plenty of rom in the seat and thigh helping it drape well and give you plenty of room up top with a straight leg below for an easy to wear pair of jeans
havensk
havensk14mo ago
I've always been curious about the 101 fit
LeisurelyLoafing
LeisurelyLoafing14mo ago
Just learned about to today thanks to the canoe email lol. One shop said it had a slight taper so I wonder if it’s just a wider 105 with the same hem width
narwhal
narwhal14mo ago
Looks like a 90s 550 cut
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narwhal
narwhal14mo ago
Which is pretty great Oh I’m a dummy. I think I had a blue pair of these at one point and they do have that 550 cut. Wish I’d kept them They’re not selvage if that matters
TheComebackKid
TheComebackKid14mo ago
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… orSlow × BEAMS 9.23(Sat.)Release @orslow @beams_mens_casual MADE IN JAPANにこだわり細部にいたるまで丁寧なもの作りをする〈orSlow〉との別注アイテムが今シーズンも登場。 〈BEAMS〉別注の定番となりつつあるダッズデニム型を採用した『デニムジャケット』。それに合わせて、90年代を彷彿とさせる古着感あるルーズフィットで製作した『デニムジャケット』の2型を展開。 『デニムジャケット』は当時のルックスは踏襲しつつも、サイドにハンドウォーマーポケットを配すなど機能性も兼ね備えたアイテムです。 ベージュに染めたデニム生地にプリントで施したリアルツリーカモ柄と程よくウォッシュのかかったインディゴブルーの2色をご...
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havensk
havensk14mo ago
My one and only local men's shop started carrying orslow I am the happiest boy Just 105s and coveralls right now but fatigues soon I need new fatigues, I'm still wearing EG ones I bought off evol like 5 years ago
evolsirhc
evolsirhc14mo ago
are those the double cloth ones low key regret selling them haha
havensk
havensk14mo ago
they're good I just don't wear em much anymore, wanna buy back lol
evolsirhc
evolsirhc14mo ago
possibly lol i’ve got the orslow x canoe club hbt ones in green tho
havensk
havensk14mo ago
I really like those
quantum
quantum14mo ago
I bought some 105s secondhand and they don't seem to be selvedge??
evolsirhc
evolsirhc14mo ago
they make non-selvedge 105s i’ve got a pair and i like them, fit a little wider than the regular 105s
punchouli
punchouli14mo ago
Tried on some 105s and the pockets are itty bitty Way too small for a modern phone let alone my beefy mitts
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc14mo ago
what, my ip 12 promax fit back pocket
punchouli
punchouli14mo ago
Front pockets, I typically dont walk around with my hands on my butt
havensk
havensk14mo ago
they're not as bad as say N&F but it is annoying trying to fish my phone outta my pocket
LeisurelyLoafing
LeisurelyLoafing14mo ago
It’s annoying but an easy fix for a tailor. For some reason I feel like the pockets on my two year wash are smaller than my one wash.
punchouli
punchouli14mo ago
Interestingly, the 105s that arrived today have pockets i’d consider normal. The ones i tried on last week were maybe 30% smaller 🤔
Elvander
Elvander14mo ago
Is there any sign of a wider orslow fit than the 105's? I love their denim and my 105's are too beat up for cleaner fits now.
punchouli
punchouli14mo ago
I havent tried the 105 90s, i know they have polyester threading so they might have a little more horizontal give but otherwise i dont think so
LeisurelyLoafing
LeisurelyLoafing14mo ago
There’s the 101 fit but it seems like it’s wider up top but slightly tapered Not sure if they do the painter pants in denim. I’d check canoe and see what they have
Elvander
Elvander14mo ago
🫡
evolsirhc
evolsirhc14mo ago
the 101 is def wider they also make denim painters and sun pants (denim fatigues) also if you can find 105Ws they’re wider but not selvedge
LeisurelyLoafing
LeisurelyLoafing14mo ago
What’s the 105w? Can’t seem to find it online
evolsirhc
evolsirhc14mo ago
i don’t think they’ve made em for a few years they were rigid, non selvedge 105s didn’t shrink as much as i expected @LeisurelyLoafing i’ll see if i can dig up a fit pic
evolsirhc
evolsirhc14mo ago
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LeisurelyLoafing
LeisurelyLoafing14mo ago
Those are great! I would love a wider pair of 105s. I haven’t been wearing mine as much since finding some vintage 501s
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc14mo ago
U might as well go for the painter It the widest one they have imo
havensk
havensk14mo ago
I was gonna say the same thing look for the painter pants, I have a black pair from last year and its probably about as wide as orslow gets
birinoah
birinoah13mo ago
I am very annoyed they don’t make a bigger size In pants
punchouli
punchouli13mo ago
its a pain for their seasonal stuff especially. 105s in size 5 are just a little loose on me and fit very comfortably but most others only go up to a 4 and are usually a 34" max
birinoah
birinoah13mo ago
Im a true 38 waist lol, even when I was in shape I mighhhttt have fit in a 5
punchouli
punchouli13mo ago
if they made a 40 I know for sure it'd sell very well 🤔
havensk
havensk13mo ago
Canoe Club
OrSlow 101 Dad's Fit Corduroy Pants | Beige | Canoe Club
The 101 Dad's Fit Denim is mean't to mimic the denim made popular in the 90's for its relaxed fit and comfortable washes. The 101 features a comfortable high rise with plenty of room in the seat and thigh helping it drape well and give you plenty of room up top with a straight leg below for an easy to wear pair of jean
havensk
havensk13mo ago
Canoe Club just went all in on the 101 dad fit @evolsirhc you seein this shit
havensk
havensk13mo ago
Canoe Club
OrSlow 101 Dad's Fit Denim | Rigid | Canoe Club
The 101 Dad's Fit Denim is mean't to mimic the denim made popular in the 90's for its relaxed fit and comfortable washes. The 101 features a comfortable high rise with plenty of room in the seat and thigh helping it drape well and give you plenty of room up top with a straight leg below for an easy to wear pair of jean
havensk
havensk13mo ago
some very handsome jackets too
evolsirhc
evolsirhc13mo ago
yea dude i really want the rigid ones both cord colors look nice tho too
shootfilmnotbullets
Anyone see any New Yorkers in a navy or blue outside of the pegs and sons exclusives?
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc13mo ago
How relax is 101 compare to 105? I have 107 and 105, waist, seat and legs on 107 more tapered 101 even roomier than 105 🤔
punchouli
punchouli13mo ago
I'll probably get the black stonewashed 101s next month and do a picture comparison to some 105s if nobody else does first
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc13mo ago
Thanks!
evolsirhc
evolsirhc13mo ago
101 pretty ideal i’m a bigger fella tho so 105s are basically slim on me so take my advice as you wish
opm1444
opm144413mo ago
Keep in mind sizes also change with different colors/washes. My black stone wash 105 fits smaller than my 2 year wash.
punchouli
punchouli13mo ago
Its not super consistent even between identical items- the 105s i tried on to see if I’d like them had probably 1” less in the waist than the ones I ended up buying. 37.5” vs something close to 36”. I check the measurements to be sure, but as much as I love orslow their sizing is truly arcane.
havensk
havensk12mo ago
Was it enough of a difference that you'd consider sizing up on the black stone?
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc12mo ago
I have one wash, two year wash, and black stone all in 107 I would size up black stone cause the seat is tiny
havensk
havensk12mo ago
I love the fit of my 105s in a 4, but I wouldn't want them to fit any slimmer. I'm pretty much solidly a 4 across the orslow lineup Appreciate it bud 🙏
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc12mo ago
Np. I am a 1 across all 107, stone need to be a 2 It slimmer all across waist seat legs
opm1444
opm144412mo ago
I would size up
havensk
havensk12mo ago
Thank you kings, I sized up
LeisurelyLoafing
LeisurelyLoafing12mo ago
Did you buy them new? They stretch out a good bit
punchouli
punchouli12mo ago
I ended up getting the reversible fleece vest instead, its still a maybe for me 🤔 speaking of, compared to my 2018 reversible vest this one is a good deal bigger, 25" chest compared to 23" both size 4
havensk
havensk12mo ago
big thanks to @RZ1989 and @opm1444 for the size up advice, gotta get em hemmed but great call to size up on the 105 black stone washed
punchouli
punchouli11mo ago
2 year wash 105s versus blue owl black pair 🔍
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shootfilmnotbullets
Well ain’t that some shit. What size are they and how many washes/dries have the 2 years been through?
punchouli
punchouli11mo ago
both size 5, i've washed the 2 years once so it isn't a perfect comparison, but looking at the black pair I could immediately tell the legs were a smidge wider
evolsirhc
evolsirhc11mo ago
shopcanoeclub
We are so excited to announce an upcoming collaboration with @orslow! This collab releases December 15, more details to come next week…💙
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evolsirhc
evolsirhc11mo ago
looks cool
punchouli
punchouli11mo ago
size 1-5 as well
TheComebackKid
TheComebackKid11mo ago
Totem Brand Co.
Orslow Woodland Camo Fatigue Pants (Regular Fit) - Woodland Camofla...
Modeled after U.S. military workwear. It has been completed through several minor changes since its birth in 2006. Using the...
TheComebackKid
TheComebackKid11mo ago
Can anyone comment on the fabric of these?
shootfilmnotbullets
Looks like the normal reverse sateen
mattw2
mattw211mo ago
I saw these in Japan 4-5 years ago and regret not buying them. Fabric seemed solid to me from memory but I got no details.
TheComebackKid
TheComebackKid11mo ago
Just worried theyre too flimsy
doublepluswill
doublepluswill11mo ago
Not sure if you have any other Orslow fatigues, assuming not, but they are some of the best wearing/aging pants I have. Comfy+durable+fade subtly and nicely with washes over the years. I've bought a couple pairs over the years of various color ways and jeans. I'm not using them for anything hardcore but have hiked etc in them and they're solid for those kinds of activities.
schraiber
schraiber11mo ago
Y'all see the discussion on Style Forum about orslow moving some production to China? https://www.styleforum.net/threads/orslow.259555/post-11653211
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CANOE CLUB X ORSLOW - VINTAGE BORO WESTERN SHIRT - INDIGO I'm happy to open preorders for the VINTAGE BORO WESTERN SHIRT from our beloved orSlow. "For this collaboration with orSlow, we wanted to create something that feels super personal. We started with their take on the iconic Western Shirt...
Confuzzler
Confuzzler11mo ago
Whaaat 😬 Means both fabric and construction is in China right? Nothing against made in China cause high quality garments can still be made there, but part of the appeal I feel was the whole fabric made in Japan.
schraiber
schraiber11mo ago
Hard to know. There's pretty extensive discussion in the thread, including someone who reached out to orslow I think, as well as some thoughts from Chase at Canoe Club
Confuzzler
Confuzzler11mo ago
ahh didnt go that far. if the fabric is made in Japan I don't see an issue personally. after reading through it makes sense
narwhal
narwhal11mo ago
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havensk
havensk11mo ago
of course here come the reverse placebo people, "The fit and finish is not the same as my last pair" mhm... sure
Elvander
Elvander11mo ago
Does the "under the supervision of Japanese people" vs something like "under the supervision of our passionate and dedicated team" etc. read as a little problematic for want of a better word.
schraiber
schraiber11mo ago
Giving them the benefit of the doubt here, a big part of orslow's branding is being made in Japan and having that classic Amekaji aesthetic, they literally have a Japan on their logo
Elvander
Elvander11mo ago
I'll assume it's a translation issue.
Confuzzler
Confuzzler11mo ago
would not be surprised if it was a xenophobic thing, very common in asia
punchouli
punchouli11mo ago
Manchukuo mindset, i think it’s intentionally worded that way
Elvander
Elvander11mo ago
Pretty awful if it is.
TheComebackKid
TheComebackKid11mo ago
My thoughts about companies moving production around are basically like If you trust the brand then dont get too caught in the weeds about it
max
max11mo ago
Anyone have experience with orslow jeans stretching out a lot? I felt like my size 2 2 year wash 105s used to fit me perfectly but they stretched out weirdly in the top block over time
dketvv
dketvv11mo ago
Can you really fit into 2 sizes of slim fit fatigues? I have slim fit fatigues in size 4. They fit perfect. No belt required. Interested in getting black ones but want a slightly baggier fit. Will the size five with tabs buttoned work? Or will the top block look diaper-y?
schraiber
schraiber11mo ago
My slim fit fatigues stretched a ton in the waist. They were initially snug without the tabs, now they're loose fully tabbed.
max
max11mo ago
This is my experience with my 105s It stretched from a 30 to a 32-33. Their sizing is so inconsistent across sites though
schraiber
schraiber11mo ago
I think it's not totally surprising that washed denim will stretch a size or so. Iirc even their indigo denim is still 1 wash
max
max11mo ago
They’re still alright, I just found the stretch on them to be more extreme than my other pair (PBJ 003) I’m sure there’s some reason for that. I have the two year wash and put them in the dryer and they do fit a lot better now but I get that’s a travesty move not everyone wants to do (maybe moreso with raw denim than these light washes)
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc11mo ago
Their jeans stretchy in the waist Just how they are for some reason. I actually like them that way more as it gives some bandwidth in case my weight fluctuates over time.
Elvander
Elvander11mo ago
how tight are the 2 tuck wides, the 4 is coming in at 32" ?
bucciarati
bucciarati11mo ago
Consider I've a size 3 at 31" waist, so it should be about right
havensk
havensk11mo ago
if the 2 tucks are high waisted, then yea that makes sense
LeisurelyLoafing
LeisurelyLoafing10mo ago
My one wash are definitely wider than my two year Especially in the top block
Garlic_Sucker
Garlic_Sucker10mo ago
Hi everyone, I really like the look of the french work pants. How much do you think the waist will shrink? I’m a 30x32 and want to match the inseam, and it seems like the only waist at that length is 34. I’m trying not to buy any more pants that look like diapers on me lol
evolsirhc
evolsirhc10mo ago
recent orslow purchase
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evolsirhc
evolsirhc10mo ago
👀
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goofus
goofus10mo ago
2 year wash 105 and 107 in stock all sizes at canoe club
Elvander
Elvander10mo ago
Fedex just dropped off my flannel lined fatigues. Cozy wozy, where have these been all my life.
leroideskiki
leroideskiki10mo ago
Can’t wait to see your WAYWT with it
Elvander
Elvander10mo ago
Need to get them hemmed, hopefully tomorrow.
Tyler
Tyler9mo ago
Any thoughts on the New Yorker pants? Thinking of picking up a black pair as a good option for traveling or going out since they seem like they’ll go with everything. I also like that they are a bit more forgiving than fatigues with the elastic waistband. Just not sure if there is a better option and if they are worth it because they’re a little pricey at full retail.. $235 USD.
mattw2
mattw29mo ago
They are quite slim and I prefer the cut of Gramicci gpants for a similar style (in a wider array of fabrics for less money).
rcg
rcg9mo ago
Anyone tried the 101s? Love my 105s but sometimes want my fit wide
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc9mo ago
Much roomier on 101 for me Though the waist sizing is similar Well i hust recheck It similar but the rise taller So u will see the seat area bigger
max
max8mo ago
(@wolsro) • Instagram photos and videos
251 Followers, 0 Following, 13 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from (@wolsro)
max
max8mo ago
New orslow thing
max
max8mo ago
this is sinister
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leroideskiki
leroideskiki8mo ago
Wow
Elvander
Elvander8mo ago
Thanks I hate it.
goofus
goofus8mo ago
who let them cook
punchouli
punchouli8mo ago
they've had their fun, time to go back to making their usuals
SimSimSimR.
SimSimSimR.8mo ago
Anyone know if this is a aprils fools thing in advance?
algoresky
algoresky8mo ago
for the first time in a while, i am interested in orslow again. bring on wolsro
awburkey
awburkey8mo ago
Isn’t this the collab?
algoresky
algoresky8mo ago
orslow x beams, right?
max
max8mo ago
Yep That’s how I feel. Even if it’s not for me, it’s cool to see them do something different
wisdom gun
wisdom gun8mo ago
Looking to grab a pair of orslow french work pants. My true jean size measurements are about 34 waist 30 inseam. Should I cop size 2 or 3? And does anyone have any fit pics with them? Trying to grasp how wide they are
goofus
goofus8mo ago
Almost definitely you want a 3 (at least) I’m about a 33-34 normally and I wear a size 3 comfortably in their fatigues.
narwhal
narwhal8mo ago
Agreed definitely 3. You could probabaly even size up to 4 if you wanted a loose fit They fit slimmer than the regular fit fatigues. I had a pair of navy and khaki. I'll see if i have any pics handy
narwhal
narwhal8mo ago
Pretty sure the navy pair was a size smaller than the khaki
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narwhal
narwhal8mo ago
apologies for toes
wisdom gun
wisdom gun8mo ago
Thanks everyone
evolsirhc
evolsirhc8mo ago
I’m usually a 34 and have 2 pairs in size 4 I could fit anywhere from 3-5 in them I’d say
havensk
havensk8mo ago
Same as the above, typically 34 and usually grab a 4 for orslow
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc8mo ago
I am 31 in waist jeans now and i wear size 1 I have two orslow french work fyi It has elastic waist band and the seat is a bit larger than normal
mattw2
mattw28mo ago
I'm a 29" waist and I wear size 2.
dketvv
dketvv8mo ago
Interesting. I have a 36” waist and actually wear a size 3 in these (but a size 4 or even 5 in the slim fit fatigues). The waist is so stretchy on these that a size 4 would not stay up at all without a belt. The size 3 still requires a belt but doesn’t fall off immediately
evolsirhc
evolsirhc8mo ago
I wear a belt with everything to be fair
mattw2
mattw28mo ago
Size4vibes.
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc8mo ago
yea, that what i like about the work pants. it just flexible
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae8mo ago
Canoe Club
OrSlow Summer Fatigues | Sumi Dyed Linen | Canoe Club
Designed for comfort during hot summer months, the Summer Fatigue pants are made with lightweight cotton and come in a crisp white color. With a wide leg cut and waist cinch tabs, they're ideal for any laid-back day. Sumi Dyed Linen Button Fly Cinch Tabs Made in Japan
TheComebackKid
TheComebackKid8mo ago
Totem Brand Co.
orSlow "wolSro" BOTH SIDE JACKET - One Wash - Totem Brand Co.
Turn your look reversed with the orSlow "wolSro" BOTH SIDE JACKET. This reversible denim jacket allows for double the style...
TheComebackKid
TheComebackKid8mo ago
Old obsession just dropped
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae8mo ago
Thanks, I hate it
TheComebackKid
TheComebackKid8mo ago
Its cool
Confuzzler
Confuzzler8mo ago
this is breaking my brain
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jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae8mo ago
Low key reminds me of hunters wearing masks on the back of their heads so tigers don’t eat them
goofus
goofus8mo ago
low in stock already
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae8mo ago
I feel like the one-off OrSlow stuff seems to sell out quick.
leroideskiki
leroideskiki8mo ago
Nice one, the ecru one is even better
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae8mo ago
Normally I would agree but I got enough white pants. Not a lot of black grey
doublepluswill
doublepluswill8mo ago
I feel highly targeted by this link. Looking forward to my new pants… hope you get a kick back of some sort.
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae8mo ago
God I wish
max
max7mo ago
beams_official
… orslow × BEAMS 『SUPER DAD’S FIT』 @orslow @beams_mens_casual 素材使いやディテールなど、ヴィンテージをリスペクトし、現代のスタイルへと昇華してきた〈orslow〉。 これまでの別注で好評を博してきた〈BEAMS〉仕様のバギーパンツ『DAD’S FIT』シリーズを更にワイドにシルエットに仕上げた、『SUPER DAD’S FIT』のコレクションが登場いたします。 新たなリアルツリー柄をあしらったペインターパンツと6.5分丈のショーツ、ストーンウォッシュ表情のデニムパンツといった3型がラインナップ。 BEAMSが考える現代的なバギーパンツの各々をご堪能ください。 #orslow #beams #オアスロウ #ビームス
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goofus
goofus7mo ago
dam those are sick, thinking about a proxy 🤔
Nipun Talwar
Nipun Talwar7mo ago
What’s the proxy option? I’ve bought previously from retails that ship to the US (bears, Hinoya etc), but haven’t proxied directly before
goofus
goofus7mo ago
japonica probably. I’m not going to do it for these though, trying to dial back spending
max
max7mo ago
I really hope Orslow make this a full release. Or at least use that 6 month wash more Orslow don't have a lot of great cuts besides the 105 and the 101. 107 is ok too but if there's a situation where I'd get it over the 105 Fatigues are good too
Yaminator
Yaminator7mo ago
As time goes on i find myself a little less positive about my 105s and it's legitimately 100% due to the torturously small front pockets
Nipun Talwar
Nipun Talwar7mo ago
What’s the difference between 105 and 101? Is 101 higher rise and wider?
mattw2
mattw27mo ago
Get a tailor to sew in new pocketbags
walter_crunkite
walter_crunkite7mo ago
im late to this but damn these are cool idk why they don't do the dad's fit in their normal selvedge denim though feel like from pics at least the dad's fit denim is pretty boring
max
max7mo ago
I can see the idea that selvedge is reserved for repros I see the 101/100 as their more modern fits which aren’t really going for the same customers as the 105/107 Selvedge is cool but it also doesn’t matter that much and the 101 is cheaper than the 105/107
walter_crunkite
walter_crunkite7mo ago
it's more the denim texture than the selvedge line 105 has that cool uneven texture at least on the 1 wash, this denim looks really uniform
max
max7mo ago
Thats true Their 2 year wash looks so good
Viễn Hắc
Viễn Hắc7mo ago
Higher rise, but bot much wider, wider a bit in legs
mh-mh-mh
mh-mh-mh6mo ago
Questions regarding tops sizing : does it varies through the years? And is the sizing the same for the Japanese and the American markets? I'm asking because I tried the 1950s coverall instore, fell in love with it but I couldn't swallow the sweet Canadian pricing. Size 3 felt pefect. Since then I tumbled into the proxy rabbit hole and I just found a nice size 3, second hand ; the measurement provided by the seller doesn't match the item I tried, and I'm wondering
goofus
goofus6mo ago
can you followup with the seller on how they sized it? you can take something like a chest measurement many ways. when I sell things I’m very lazy about measurements
bustin_janks
bustin_janks6mo ago
are the measurements smaller or bigger than expected? if they’re smaller it could have shrunk in the wash
mh-mh-mh
mh-mh-mh6mo ago
They're much smaller than expected; you're right about shrinking. And following up with the seller is a good idea, I'll look into it — if I can manage my way through Japanese translations!
goofus
goofus6mo ago
I’ve found that every japanese shop I’ve interacted with has bent over backwards to help me, even through rough translation. Good luck!
mh-mh-mh
mh-mh-mh6mo ago
Very good to know, thanks! .
wisdom gun
wisdom gun6mo ago
Looking to grab some regular fit fatigues. I’m a 34 waist and a size 4 in my 105s. I’ve heard a 3 or a 4 could fit. Anyone with a similar size have any suggestions?
bustin_janks
bustin_janks6mo ago
definitely compare measurements to something you know fits you but I’m the same size in 105s and fatigues
wisdom gun
wisdom gun6mo ago
Problem is the sizing is inconsistent across websites
walter_crunkite
walter_crunkite6mo ago
err on the side of large, fatigues also have the button side adjusters if the waist is too big
mattw2
mattw26mo ago
My size 2 105s are at least 2" bigger than my size 2 fatigued but I'm definitely on the if in doubt size up mindset.
max
max6mo ago
The washed 105s are slightly bigger than the regular 105s if I recall. That was my experience at least Maybe they stretched more
ler
ler6mo ago
go with a 4 i might have to sell my 3s, they stretch a lot but they're still a bit tight on the waist.
singer
singer5mo ago
Anyone have the summer fatigues? Wondering how much lighter they are. Couldn’t find any comparisons in website descriptions
evolsirhc
evolsirhc5mo ago
i’ve tried them on i’d say they’re noticeably lighter while also fitting a little shorter and wider than the reg fits @singer
havensk
havensk5mo ago
agreed on evol's advice, they're wider shorter and a lot lighter, very textured fabric (on the ecru ones at least)
evolsirhc
evolsirhc5mo ago
i tried on the herringbone ones and ended up passing cuz i’ve got that CC collab in herringbone already they are very nice tho
singer
singer4mo ago
All good feedback, thanks. Will look to see if I can find them in-person Found what I wanted online, but I'm still unsure about sizing. Got a feeling my regular L in the US may be an XXL/5 with Orslow
hokum
hokum4mo ago
FWIW I got the white ones and found they seem to fit pretty darn close to my regular fatigues. (Size 2, 30-ish inch waist, 5’10” 150lbs). Luckily if they’re a bit large they’re still adjustable! Much lighter almost wears like linen.
Zachary
Zachary4mo ago
Anyone have any fit pics with the 101 Super Dad's fit denim?
singer
singer4mo ago
Sounds like I'm a maybe 4 then (harder to find...). Linen-like is just what I was looking for; although I was thinking of the standard fatigues for the other 3 seasons
havensk
havensk4mo ago
@evolsirhc you own a pair right?
evolsirhc
evolsirhc4mo ago
I do not, but I think I’m gonna grab a pair this week!
Zachary
Zachary4mo ago
Tried on the dad fit, these are a size bigger than I usually wear though (4 but I’m a usually a 3)
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Zachary
Zachary4mo ago
Also, do we like these cargoes?
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evolsirhc
evolsirhc4mo ago
i have those cargos and they’re my favorite pants
evolsirhc
evolsirhc4mo ago
funny enough i also just received these in the mail
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kyn
kyn4mo ago
we don’t do any buying and selling here
evolsirhc
evolsirhc4mo ago
Canoe Club
OrSlow Houndstooth Relax Fit Coverall | Brown | Canoe Club
Built like a classic work jacket, this super soft wool houndstooth fabric feels warm and luxurious while still feeling ruged. Cut a bit boxier, this piece has a great silhouette that sets it apart from common vintage work jackets. The classic corduroy collar paired with the iconic rounded snap buttons really make this
evolsirhc
evolsirhc4mo ago
this is so cool
singer
singer4mo ago
Looks great. Want to see it on a human, see that cut
havensk
havensk4mo ago
Reminds me of my EG cpo shirt
mh-mh-mh
mh-mh-mh3mo ago
Not a fan of the big taper. Love the dad fit though. How thick is the fabric ; it's not raw denim, right?
Zachary
Zachary3mo ago
@mh-mh-mh It seems like a rinsed denim similar to the 105 and 107, but it’s not selvedge. Not sure of the weight either but it also seemed the same as the other cuts. OK yeah I googled it, it’s a 13oz once washed denim.
havensk
havensk3mo ago
someone talk me out of the type ii denim jacket
havensk
havensk3mo ago
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algoresky
algoresky3mo ago
looks like levis
havensk
havensk3mo ago
Headshot with 3 words
walter_crunkite
walter_crunkite3mo ago
That’s the POINT
algoresky
algoresky3mo ago
Nah the point is to look like Levi's but a tiny bit better
goofus
goofus3mo ago
usually brands play around with the weight of the denim. I have a light reproduction which is nice for the spring/early fall
Elvander
Elvander3mo ago
The one wash looks better but I agree with algoresky that wash in that weight looks a hair levis / mall brandy
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Confuzzler
Confuzzler3mo ago
1950s and 1940s stay on top
Loupetlapin
Loupetlapin2mo ago
Does anyone know the difference between the new Orslow Model 66 and the 105?
mattw2
mattw22mo ago
66s are higher rise and slightly slimmer leg than 105s. 66 uses a heavier denim too.
ler
ler2mo ago
Is the sizing inconsitent with the fatigues or do they just stretch like mad? I'm ready to sell my Size 3s (non-slim, reverse sateen) beacuse they're too small measuring about 16.9" but I'm seeing size 4s (and even some 5s) listed close to that on retailer sites.
tspf
tspf2mo ago
- They do stretch for sure - Also I find Orslow sizing is super inconsistent across retailers and manufacturing runs - Also you might be running into measuring with the waist buttons cinched vs uncinched.
fetussmasher
fetussmasher2mo ago
are the sizing for orslow denim jackets unisex? Found some used orslow denim jacket for cheap, but they are in the women section, not sure if size 1 is same as mens size one. It 's a type 3 washed model if that helps
evolsirhc
evolsirhc2mo ago
the women’s specific stuff has this tag
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ler
ler2mo ago
Went to try on fatigues and clocked that the store had labelled the slims as the regulars. True sicko mode.
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae2mo ago
I’ve actually seen this a lot Especially on sites that collate multiple retailers like Garmentory or Lyst
ler
ler2mo ago
yeah but this was in store i tried them on and was like the waist is good but i feel so slender i also tried on the dad fit
jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae2mo ago
How you like the dad fit
ler
ler2mo ago
It was good! Surprisingly baggy. Reminded me a lot of the EG RF jeans
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punchouli
punchouli2mo ago
very strange
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jawntanamo_bae
jawntanamo_bae2mo ago
Oh this is good
lucidmanatee
lucidmanatee2mo ago
Wythe type 3 🤔
havensk
havensk2mo ago
if you wear it with a belt you'd look just like a 90s elementary art teacher
Elvander
Elvander2mo ago
I hate it
ler
ler2mo ago
is this one of their wolSro things or is it just ugly
Elvander
Elvander2mo ago
think it's just fuck ugly
Elvander
Elvander2mo ago
Needles do a similar concept as coveralls and I think nail it:
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Elvander
Elvander2mo ago
not for me but it's well executed
ler
ler5w ago
grabbed new fatigues that were actually not used and really need a hem. should i wash first though you think? i dont want to end up with floodpants. they will probably never see a dryer (unless i should do first wash with a dryer?). im not tryina baby them i just have short legs.
shootfilmnotbullets
it's been a couple years but I def feel like they shrank on the first wash
rawburt-oh
rawburt-oh4w ago
This was the "dad" 101, right? Not the super dad?
ler
ler4w ago
Ya, believe so
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ler
ler4w ago
I'm kinda between sizes (3/4 and this is a 4), and I also have short legs so the stacking/bagginess may be a bit exaggerated.
rawburt-oh
rawburt-oh4w ago
Yeah looks like the 101 for sure, that makes sense on both accounts! Thanks for the detail The seams on the lower half are so good
ler
ler4w ago
y'all cuff or hem your fatigues? my last pair i had a sewn in cuff, thinking i might hem these with a lil break and go no cuff though this time around https://discord.com/channels/1116793467654381685/1116800072093532191/1292862235697352765
rawburt-oh
rawburt-oh4w ago
I've not had to mess with mine, but in general I'm a fan of hemming to have a bit of a break, so I can wear them naturally or cuffed up depending on which shoes I'm wearing / weather
ler
ler4w ago
yeah i have stumpy short legs. i had my last pair hemmed slightly with a sewn in cuff but i think this time i might just make them the correct length for my inseam
walter_crunkite
I think the cuff looks good
Elvander
Elvander4w ago
I went the clean hem on the last pair and I like it
fetussmasher
fetussmasher4w ago
I bought a used type 3 denim jacket in size 2, but it fits extremely small for some reason. Size charts I found for this jacket should be 20 inches pit to pit for size 2, but the jacket I receive is only 17.5 inches measured ptp. Did the previous owner washed and shrunk the jacket that much?
mattw2
mattw24w ago
you'd have to ask the previous owner does the size tag have a small heart on it?
fetussmasher
fetussmasher4w ago
No it does not
gina
gina2w ago
depends on the season prolly 🤣 or if it got nuked in the dryer
mdooz
mdooz2w ago
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gina
gina2w ago
evan kinori
orSlow Wide Leg Jean - One Wash Denim, Indigo
Ten years after meeting Ichiro Nakatsu, the founder and owner of orSlow - we finally got around to working on this project together. I wanted to iterate on his standard 105 jean, so we developed a new pattern in our studio for a high rise, wide leg silhouette - but kept all the classic 5-pocket jean details intact. Mad
RB
RB2w ago
question: I have been eyeing the 105s for a while but I'm about 6' and usually wear a 32 or 34 inch waist and 34 inseam in jeans. from online measurements it looks like a size 3 or 4 would be the closest fit, but I'm not sure which would be better and I'm also a little concerned they wouldn't be long enough with an under-32" inseam. anyone have any sizing tips?
TheComebackKid
What you should do is to take a pair of pants you own with the length you want and measure the total length (from the waist to the bottom hem) Then reach out to a store who stocks the 105’s and ask for the total length to compare
RB
RB2w ago
that's a fair idea, thanks
mdooz
mdooz2w ago
FYI I'm a 33 waist and wear a size 2 105's and size 3 fatigues
max
max2w ago
Would you size up if you were a 34”? Just curious
mdooz
mdooz2w ago
It's kind of a toss up at that point. I think my size 2's stretched over time, so a new size 3 might be the play for a 34"
ler
ler2w ago
ya both jeans and the fatigues do stretch but i dont like sizing for stretch
mdooz
mdooz2w ago
Could always go size 3 and wear a belt if all else fails. Or just buy size 2 and 3 and return the one that doesn't fit.
max
max2w ago
Their jeans stretch hella ime But the fatigues I’m not sure. I also don’t want to size for stretch but yeah I’ll just try a couple pairs
ler
ler2w ago
my 3 fatigues stretched to >34" i wear a 4 now tho it was a biiiiit snug
mdooz
mdooz2w ago
Fatigues you can also adjust with the side tabs
ler
ler2w ago
ya that's why i went up to a 4, if i lose a bit more weight 3 would be perfect but i'd rather have 'em a bit big and tighten down. it's honestly not a huge difference between the two sizes
Harpua
Harpua2w ago
They’re gonna be short on you. I’m 5-11 and they’re just a tiny bit cropped for me and I wear pants pretty low on the hip. The EK/Orslow look a lot longer so they’d be good.
RB
RB2w ago
oof, that's kinda what I was worried about. thanks for the tip
mattw2
mattw22w ago
I wouldn't agree, I'm 6'2 and wear a size 1 and they're fine. It's gonna depend on you basically.
havensk
havensk2w ago
I would also disagree, 5-10 and have to hem all my orslow denim, or double cuff. @RB for what its worth, I think you'll be comfortable in a 3, probably not a 4
RB
RB2w ago
I guess if I do pull the trigger I'll just make sure I order from somewhere that has a solid return policy 😅
max
max2w ago
I’m 5’10” and found my orSlow stuff to be a perfect length Idk how much it varies season to season if at all though. I wore a size 2 and got by just fine (although I might be a size 3 now)
hokum
hokum6d ago
5’10” and I feel like a size 2 fits me perfectly too.
Elvander
Elvander2d ago
Looks like it’s an established pattern. Stumbled on this.
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Yakkeks
Yakkeks2d ago
Im eyeing Orslows Wide Flare denim Sailor Pants, but 77cm inseam is a bit harsh https://secondsunrise.se/collections/pants/products/orslow-01-5132-81-denim-sailor-pants-one-wash?variant=50053466095943
Second Sunrise
OrSlow 5132 Wide Flare Denim Sailor Pants One Wash
Since 2005 OrSlow has made clothes in Japan that are inspired by vintage garments. Rather than reproductions, they focus on interpreting the past through a modern lens with emphasis on quality construction, comfort and timeless style.  This is OrSlow's version of a pair of iconic USN Denim Sailor Pants from the 50/60s.
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Yakkeks
Yakkeks2d ago
but also I should not because they would be pretty redundant in my current setup
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