Yup, that was my intention as well. However I struggled to get the force I was wanting due to the lo

Yup, that was my intention as well. However I struggled to get the force I was wanting due to the longer extension. And then, as mentioned, it wasn't great as a heli cyclic. I'm rebuilding the base now, but I'll hopefully have something that is kinda half under the floor. Something of a compromise. Hopefully it doesn't end up looking like a dogs breakfast.

Will3DOP•9/15/23, 3:25 AM

If I was building a cockpit dedicated to one aircraft it would be soooo much easier!

Will3DOP•9/15/23, 3:26 AM

Ironically I have found myself flying the F16 in DCS, which of course doesn't even have a central stick

WWill3D Yup, that was my intention as well. However I struggled to get the force I was w...

Seattime•9/15/23, 4:54 AM

My servos are installed in the Yoke setup at the moment, but remember the stick being more then adequate torque wise, even with the long throw.. I still have my Warthog stick setup installed for modern jets, as they are FBW. When I have the cash will purchase more servos and refit out the stick housing for warbirds, old jets and helis.

dco0l•9/15/23, 3:11 PM

So I've printed pretty much everything I need except for the large pulleys. What print setting would you recommend for PLA? I was thinking about 4 perimeters and 40% infill so the inertial mass won't be too high. I was also thinking about locally increasing the center part's infill to 100% in order to reduce creep caused by the clamping force of the bolts.

Jehly•9/16/23, 12:46 AM

I personally went 4/40% on my pedals. Works great. Super strong

Aiva•9/17/23, 6:56 AM

Could anyone comment If any of these statements are relevant to Rhino?

"Winwing" we have already achieved torque closed-loop force feedback capabilities within our certified flight training devices—a technological marvel surpassing any prevailing 'open-loop' counterparts saturating today's market...
Currently available consumer-grade force feedback products and some ongoing demos suffer from issues such as excessive inertia, dead zones in the gearbox mechanism, and cogging effects (resulting in less smooth operation due to inherent magnetic pole switching of motors). While these products may offer features like responsiveness, vibration control, and dynamic forces, they simply cannot achieve precise manipulation. Moreover, they risk inducing erroneous muscle memory for pilots and lack practical applicability.

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/333680-interview-with-winwing-founder-alex-li/

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Interview with Winwing founder Alex Li

Dear friends of the DCS and sim community. In my Blog (El vuelo de la Gran Avutarda) I had the pleasure to interview Alex Li, who is the product manager and founder of WINWING. Chengdu WinWing Tech Co., LTD established in March 2013, specialized in research,development, production and sale of Fli...

AAiva Could anyone comment If any of these statements are relevant to Rhino? > "Winwin...

Troll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴•9/17/23, 8:30 AM

I’m guessing that by “open loop” he means regular mechanical spring force centering joysticks, as I don’t see any FFB solutions “saturating the market”. As for the rest, I expect he is blowing his own horn. But it’s great to see controller developers going forth with FFB solutions for personal use

Number481•9/17/23, 1:19 PM

Specifically related to the description of other FFB devices…

excessive inertia, dead zones in the gearbox mechanism, and cogging effects (resulting in less smooth operation due to inherent magnetic pole switching of motors).

The Rhino suffers from exactly zero of these.

Bob Bushman•9/17/23, 1:19 PM

I may be uninformed but so far the only 'publicly' prevailing ffb sticks ive known of are surviving sidewinders and Brünner.

smitty•9/17/23, 2:13 PM

funny! if you want to increase immersion with some other FFB effects, heres some ideas: https://twitter.com/picturesfoider/status/1702323236556701902

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AndyHill•9/17/23, 2:33 PM

I tend to like WW products and it's totally understandable that a company would want to toot their own horn, but they are pretty good at tooting their own horn

AndyHill•9/17/23, 2:34 PM

would be interesting to see what they come up with

Bob Bushman•9/17/23, 2:38 PM

Oh, yeah bought the combat and take off panels a while back and an orion2 and f16 throttle grip earlier this summer.
And the mfd frames are tempting me a little..

AndyHill•9/17/23, 2:41 PM

I wonder if those combat panels are still going to be available

Bob Bushman•9/17/23, 2:42 PM

No idea, ww so far has a history of just not restocking all while claiming it will be back soon, until they just let slip they stopped making it six months ago.

Bob Bushman•9/17/23, 2:44 PM

If I was to consider a new gimbal it would be a firce sensing one.

For 'regular' I'll judt wait for my rhino number to ping.

DrQuinn•9/18/23, 12:52 AM

Anyone know how to re-load the firmware?

AAndyHill I wonder if those combat panels are still going to be available

PiNKSH!T•9/18/23, 3:18 PM

No the old ones are no longer for sale the new take off panel is out soon or maybe now, a new combat panel is coming, but they messed up & didn't separate the panels into left & right, like last time the wing fold is on the same panel as the parking brake etc. so not able to have things on the correct side, imho this was a mistake & a massive oversight I'm sure they would of seen the feedback about making the panels have the correct things together for a left & right set up, the new takeoff panel does look really good though.

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•9/18/23, 4:29 PM

I recently removed my WinWing F-16 grip to try some other extensions. mounting location, etc. Putting it back on, the Rhino no longer recognizes the button pushes even connected directly with the WW adapter. It still recognizes the button pushes from my Vipril Alpha grip so I don't think the problem resides in the Rhino. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to test the WW Grip and Adapter without owning a WW Base? I also just updated to v1.0.15 but since the Virpil works, I don't think that is the problem. TIA

walmis•9/18/23, 5:52 PM

Can you set the grip type to DebugDebug and check the output. If it's all FFs then it doesn't detect the adapter, otherwise the adapter does not detect the grip.

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•9/18/23, 6:56 PM

@walmis Looks like the adapter is good but grip is not working?

[11:52:50.095] * USB Connected
[11:52:50.250] Motor 0 active
[11:52:50.250] Motor 1 active
[11:52:50.250] Motor 0 active
[11:53:08.366] Config received
[11:53:08.371] Config written to flash
[11:53:20.235] Config received
[11:53:20.235] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:20.434] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:20.635] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:20.836] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:21.037] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:21.238] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:21.440] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:21.640] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08
[11:53:21.841] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 00 08 00 08 00 08 00 08

PPiNKSH!T No the old ones are no longer for sale the new take off panel is out soon or may...

ddrake1984•9/18/23, 11:50 PM

Agreed, I think they were just going for “add all the things” on a single panel, not trying to do replica.. I think only the taurus panel is close (but even then its not exact)

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/19/23, 1:17 AM

https://techraptor.net/gaming/features/microsoft-flight-simulator-2024-interview according to this interview, the 10 years of support for msfs was simply that they would work on developing and supporting msfs for at least 10 years. not the same game for all 10 years. that was the stipulation by which they were allowed to make msfs 2020 apparently

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ddrake1984•9/19/23, 1:36 AM

Yes

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VPforceBot•9/19/23, 7:33 AM

:package:

RHINO #0197 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•9/19/23, 7:38 AM

:package:

RHINO #0198 Has Shipped!

Mustang 1-1•9/19/23, 3:24 PM

I just have paid for my rhino! 8 left till mine ships. I will be working with xplane and prepar3d, especially with the T-38C and T-6A for training purposes. I am excited and if anyone is interested let me know!

Fer•9/19/23, 3:29 PM

How do you implement force feedback on p3d?

Fer•9/19/23, 3:30 PM

And xplane?

FFer How do you implement force feedback on p3d?

blave549•9/19/23, 3:52 PM

I don't think either P3D or XP are supported yet.

Mustang 1-1•9/19/23, 3:58 PM

That’s the point. I have to figure it out

Mustang 1-1•9/19/23, 3:58 PM

I do think xplane works and p3d uses sim connect so I can work somethin out

Vulcan•9/19/23, 4:12 PM

Does anyone have recommended settings for flying Apache? It's awfully squirrelly for me especially at low speeds when landing or hovering.

VVulcan Does anyone have recommended settings for flying Apache? It's awfully squirrelly...

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VVulcan Does anyone have recommended settings for flying Apache? It's awfully squirrelly...

blave549•9/19/23, 5:45 PM

It's definitely squirrelly. I have a hard time believing the real thing is like that. I have a hella time getting it back on the ground.

MMashedPotato They use very similar firmware, and if the fix is what I think it is, it should ...

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•9/19/23, 8:04 PM

Do you, or anyone else using a Realsimulator grip, know if you can change the orientation of the plug by loosening the 4 screws in the picture below or would any orientation changes have to be done with an extension?

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•9/19/23, 8:05 PM

I need to rotate about 180 degrees.

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HPLsCat•9/19/23, 10:18 PM

Last time I tried I don't think it could. Why not flip the connector on the Rhino, instead?

HPLsCat•9/19/23, 10:19 PM

Even then, the angle of the RS is for a side mount so its got a forward cant that's not as comfortable as it could be center mounted

FFer And xplane?

Strikkflypilot•9/20/23, 12:15 AM

Xpforce Extension plugin

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MashedPotato•9/20/23, 12:18 AM

Not the F-16. The F/A-18 is tapped for two positions though

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Mustang 1-1•9/20/23, 12:25 AM

Just remove that damn little pin connector with the two screws and rotate it. You can’t rotate the grip neck or it will cut the wires off the pinky and paddle switch. Trust me, I learned the hard way…

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•9/20/23, 1:20 AM

Thanks all. I want to use the Virtual Z-extension with the Rhino. I will look into"gently" rotating the connectors in both of them.

VPforceBot•9/20/23, 9:33 AM

:package:

RHINO #0199 Has Shipped!

Simon2012•9/20/23, 2:19 PM

#0191 made it home safely !

Thanks @walmis !

VVulcan Does anyone have recommended settings for flying Apache? It's awfully squirrelly...

ju_caesar•9/20/23, 3:18 PM

I don't have a ffb stick, but one without any kind of spring or real damper effects. I find it to be quite enjoyable that way actually. If you don't want to deal with trimming perhaps just disable all spring forces; if you can't do without, use the force trim release while setting it down or hovering in general.
You should always just do very little adjustments with the stick when landing/hovering, as you otherwise over-correct and perhaps even start some pilot induced oscillations.

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JIGGAwest•9/20/23, 3:57 PM

I thought this was basically confirmed broken. Do you have recent experience with Xpforce working with the VPforce base in XP12?

JJIGGAwest I thought this was basically confirmed broken. Do you have recent experience wit...

Strikkflypilot•9/20/23, 3:58 PM

No. Sadly not yet. It was just a tip I got from somewhere. Pretty miffed if it is broken…

VVulcan Does anyone have recommended settings for flying Apache? It's awfully squirrelly...

WhereNoLarkFlew•9/20/23, 6:28 PM

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Yup, that was my intention as well. However I struggled to get the force I was wanting due to the lo

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