the force trim in TelemFFB only applies to the "mag brake" release/new-center aspect of force trim.

the force trim in TelemFFB only applies to the "mag brake" release/new-center aspect of force trim. It does not support the trim-hat. As smitty said, if you want the stick to move with the trim-hat, you'll need to enable override trim.

FFer Hello I checked my rhino and the y axis band is a bit looser than the x axis, is...

walmis•9/28/23, 3:49 PM

Hi, I've added a manual entry about re-tightening the belts:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ6_WZDk58_SGt8Y/edit#heading=h.z337ya
The belts eventually need tightening, that's normal.

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VPforce Manual

VPforce RHINO FFB User Manual Version 0.1 (WIP) 03/08/2023 Table of Contents 1. Welcome 1 2. Getting Started 3 2.1. Technical Specifications 4 2.2. Physical Setup 5 2.2.1. The VKB Adapter 6 2.2.2. The WinWing Adapter 6 2.2.3 The RHINO Throw Limiter Adapters 7 2.3. Initial Connection and Up...

NNumber481 the force trim in TelemFFB only applies to the "mag brake" release/new-center as...

5earchkaine•9/28/23, 3:58 PM

i think i also have tried it with "override trim", but not yet without removed trim settings ingame, will test tomorrow, thanks

CComrade_Weng @walmis I plan on designing and building my own ffb rudder pedals with toe brake...

Fierce_Fire•9/28/23, 4:53 PM

There are others here that have made those, you probably want to ask them. (Ppl that have added toe brakes to the vkb mk 4 rudder might be able to help as well)

CComrade_Weng @walmis I plan on designing and building my own ffb rudder pedals with toe brake...

walmis•9/28/23, 5:04 PM

The easiest way - The pot inputs can be used for toe brakes with a pot or an analog signal.
Hard way - wiring an arduino spi slave to send digitized data via the 5 pin grip connector.

Fer•9/28/23, 6:52 PM

Thanks @walmis

Sharkku•9/28/23, 7:23 PM

I tried running Telem FFB via a bat-file, or via the MSFS exe.xml, but I just get an error. When I run it by clicking it, it works. What am I doing wrong?

SSharkku I tried running Telem FFB via a bat-file, or via the MSFS exe.xml, but I just ge...

Number481OP•9/28/23, 7:52 PM

the app is fairly sensitive to pathing. If you want to start it from a batch script, you need to "cd" into its directory.. for example.. my batch file that launches 3 instances...

Sharkku•9/28/23, 8:25 PM

@Number481 Ah, thanks for replying! I tried cd to relevant directory, still didn't work. I will look into it tomorrow!

Wwalmis Hi, I've added a manual entry about re-tightening the belts: https://docs.google...

Hextopia•9/28/23, 10:13 PM

Why does the belt need to be moved off prior to moving the motor?

HHextopia Why does the belt need to be moved off prior to moving the motor?

walmis•9/29/23, 12:10 PM

To relieve the existing tension, since you wouldn't be able to move the motor enough to tighten the belt properly.

Mr. S•9/29/23, 3:58 PM

Got mine yesterday and I am currently remapping all the buttons. Any idea if there's any way to use VIRPIL mapping software to keep mode switched and advanced button programming?

Number481OP•9/29/23, 5:32 PM

virpil software talks to the CM base, not the grip.. so.... no base=no software

NNumber481 virpil software talks to the CM base, not the grip.. so.... no base=no software

Mr. S•9/29/23, 5:53 PM

Well it actually talks to the controller card... one of which I installed in my MSFFB2 and could program the thing so I'm pretty sure the same could be done here, with the caveat of having x2 USB cables coming out of the system (but the same happens with the VKB adapter if I'm not mistaken?)

OR

We get VIRPIL-ish functionality embedded in the sw at some point.

MMr. S Well it actually talks to the controller card... one of which I installed in my ...

blave549•9/29/23, 11:21 PM

I think you would need to use one of the various joystick utilities. I wish I knew what the differences are between Axes and Ohs, Spad.nExt, Joystick Gremlin, and FSUIPC (which I used a lot with FSX but haven't touched it since). (I'm sure there are others.) I don't care so much about combining multiple devices into a single virtual one, but I would like to have advanced button/hat programmability. I just got a VKB throttle setup, and although the software seems to be very powerful it's almost as hard to understand as Virpil's stuff

, and so it would be nice to have one utility that I can pipe all of my controller toys through and yet get the advanced button/axis functionality.

Number481OP•9/29/23, 11:38 PM

Personally I can recommend spad.next. I used it extensively when I was big into Msfs and still use it for a lot of little things in DCS. To me it is far more intuitive than the Virpil software is.

Jehly•9/30/23, 12:23 AM

Trying out the pedals/stick on MSFS2020 for first time, I feel like I'm missing something. Stick wont stay centered, almost zero vibrations felt, FFB enabled.

Number481OP•9/30/23, 12:45 AM

what aircraft are you flying? You have TelemFFB setup and connecting to MSFS (showing telemetry)?

Bblave549 I think you would need to use one of the various joystick utilities. I wish I kn...

Mr. S•9/30/23, 9:40 AM

yeah I know joystick gremlin like, a lot, I was just hoping in a native solution...

Mr. S•9/30/23, 9:41 AM

Another question, I have pulled the TelemFFB (the python version), installed the requirements and all but when I try to launch it I get
..\python main.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "..\Desktop\Joystick\VPforce-TelemFFB\main.py", line 81, in <module>
from PyQt5 import QtWidgets
ImportError: cannot import name 'QtWidgets' from 'PyQt5' (unknown location)

Mr. S•9/30/23, 9:41 AM

any idea?

Mr. S•9/30/23, 9:44 AM

I'm trying to install the latest version I can find, from python (3.11.5 ?)

Mr. S•9/30/23, 9:49 AM

nevermind, Updating python, doing a git reset and pull seems to have fixed the issue.

NNumber481 what aircraft are you flying? You have TelemFFB setup and connecting to MSFS (s...

Jehly•9/30/23, 2:37 PM

Flying a helo. Yeah it’s connected, at least it says it is

JJehly Flying a helo. Yeah it’s connected, at least it says it is

Number481OP•9/30/23, 2:44 PM

which helo? Unlike DCS, there aren’t a lot of default aircraft profiles inside the config. You need to make sure there’s an entry and that it’s identified as a helicopter.

Number481OP•9/30/23, 2:48 PM

And for helicopters you will either have to use the VPf configurator sticky spring + force trim. Or you can enable the force trim implementation in TelemFFB MSFS.Helicopter section.

NNumber481 *which* helo? Unlike DCS, there aren’t a lot of default aircraft profiles insid...

Jehly•9/30/23, 2:51 PM

I bought the H145.

NNumber481 And for helicopters you will either have to use the VPf configurator sticky spri...

Jehly•9/30/23, 2:51 PM

I'll research this

Kreytfire•9/30/23, 3:09 PM

Quick question, of course I did edit the normal user.ini and not the README.ini… is there a way to correct it and get the original back? Sorry if that’s a stupid question, maybe there is a button to reset it but I am not home at my PC these days.. just re-reading the manual again and thought I should better follow the correct way with both .ini

KKreytfire Quick question, of course I did edit the normal user.ini and not the README.ini…...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 3:19 PM

There is no harm in editing config.ini directly. Only that it will get overwritten if you unzip a new version on top of it.

You can simply rename your current one to config.user.ini and then copy the default config.ini out of the original zip file if you want.

NNumber481 *which* helo? Unlike DCS, there aren’t a lot of default aircraft profiles insid...

blave549•9/30/23, 4:01 PM

I didn't know you could turn on h/w trim in the TelemFFB config.user.ini file. What do I need to add to the ini file to turn on h/w trim in MSFS without having to switch it on and off in the Configurator app? (I bounce between MSFS and DCS constantly.)

Bblave549 I didn't know you could turn on h/w trim in the TelemFFB config.user.ini file. ...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 4:04 PM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508/1149013479622193212

NNumber481 https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508/114901347962...

blave549•9/30/23, 4:05 PM

Sorry I totally missed that note. Thanks!

Number481OP•9/30/23, 4:06 PM

you mean you don't monitor the discord like a hawk and take notes on every post?? SHAME!..

NNumber481 you mean you don't monitor the discord like a hawk and take notes on every post?...

blave549•9/30/23, 4:20 PM

Well I surely didn't realize that config.ini had been enhanced so much since the last time I copied it to config.user.ini!!! Suggestion: add a version note to the top of config.ini...

smitty•9/30/23, 4:33 PM

the user.ini shouldnt be a copy of config.ini, it should just have the things you are overriding.. mine has msfs_enabled=1 and a couple heli configs.

Ssmitty the user.ini shouldnt be a copy of config.ini, it should just have the things yo...

blave549•9/30/23, 4:34 PM

<slaps forehead> you're completely correct. Sometimes I wonder how I got through high school, let alone college

Number481OP•9/30/23, 4:37 PM

It can be a full copy..but it doesn’t need to be.

NNumber481 It *can* be a full copy..but it doesn’t need to be.

blave549•9/30/23, 5:02 PM

I much prefer just having the changed stuff in the user .ini. It's much much easier to find stuff! I just deleted all of the stock content in the file; hopefully I didn't screw anything up.

blave549•9/30/23, 6:24 PM

So I couldda sworn I had the Shrike MD530 working with TelemFFB, but I'm getting exceptions now. One line leads me to believe that it's not picking up the "530F.*" entry that I added. But what's weird is that the Cowansim MD500E works fine, and their entries are identical.

The line that makes me think that is this: INFO - Creating handler for Shrike Simulations 530F Default: aircrafts_msfs.Aircraft

I get three exceptions when the aircraft starts. Here is the first:

Exception in thread Thread-2:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "main.py", line 391, in process_data
File "aircrafts_msfs.py", line 383, in on_telemetry
File "aircraft_base.py", line 351, in _update_buffeting
File "utils.py", line 401, in scale_clamp
File "utils.py", line 393, in scale
ZeroDivisionError: float division by zero

config.user.ini entries:

[500E.*]
type=Helicopter
runway_rumble_intensity = 0.5
rotor_blade_count=5
etl_start_speed = 15kt
etl_stop_speed = 25kt
etl_effect_intensity = 0.40
overspeed_shake_start = 120kt
overspeed_shake_intensity = 0.2

[530F.*]
type=Helicopter
runway_rumble_intensity = 0.5
rotor_blade_count=5
etl_start_speed = 15kt
etl_stop_speed = 25kt
etl_effect_intensity = 0.40
overspeed_shake_start = 120kt
overspeed_shake_intensity = 0.2

Maybe it's something with the 530F header. How do I determine the string that I should put in there -- is it something in the aircraft's manifest.json, or something else?

Bblave549 So I couldda sworn I had the Shrike MD530 working with TelemFFB, but I'm getting...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 6:40 PM

It shouldn't be throwing exceptions (I'll have to DL some freeware helis and see if I can reproduce it). But generally you can get the "simconnect name" (my madeup name for it) by loading the aircraft in TelemFFB and seeing what is listed in the telemetry window. If it is erroring out before that happens, take a look at the log to see what it says about the aircraft name when it is looking for a match in the config.

NNumber481 It ***shouldn't*** be throwing exceptions (I'll have to DL some freeware helis a...

blave549•9/30/23, 6:50 PM

Sorted. It wants [Shrike.*] not [530F.*]. Like I said I couldn've sworn it was working before, but... I might be wrong.

Bblave549 Sorted. It wants [Shrike.\*] not [530F.\*]. Like I said I couldn've sworn it was...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 6:57 PM

interesting... are these two variants of the same aircraft/developer? What does the telemetry say about "StallAoA"? Looking at the exception logs you posted origionally trying to determine whats causing it to bomb out.

blave549•9/30/23, 7:45 PM

No -- two different devs (CowanSim and Shrike). Stall AOA is 0.00. But note that when I have the header as 530F.* these lines are logged:

2023-09-30 12:42:56.524 - INFO - Loading parameters from 'MSFS2020' section
2023-09-30 12:42:56.527 - INFO - Creating handler for Shrike Simulations 530F Default: aircrafts_msfs.Aircraft

But with Shrike.*, I get

2023-09-30 12:41:12.666 - INFO - Loading parameters from 'MSFS2020' section
2023-09-30 12:41:12.669 - INFO - Found section [Shrike.*] for aircraft 'Shrike Simulations 530F Default' in config
2023-09-30 12:41:12.670 - INFO - Loading parameters from [MSFS2020.Helicopter] section
2023-09-30 12:41:12.670 - INFO - Creating handler for Shrike Simulations 530F Default: aircrafts_msfs.Helicopter

So it's like if it can't find a valid entry for the aircraft, it doesn't see it as a helicopter. Everybody knows that helicopters that self-identify as an airplane will cause exceptions to be thrown

Bblave549 No -- two different devs (CowanSim and Shrike). Stall AOA is 0.00. But note that...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 9:33 PM

If you're able to reproduce the exception.. I'd love to have a copy of the stack trace from the log.

blave549•9/30/23, 9:58 PM

Is this what you need?

exception_snippet.txt2.64KB

Number481OP•9/30/23, 10:06 PM

Yep.. thats from the shrike? (same error for likely the same reason as Cowan if so)

Bblave549 No -- two different devs (CowanSim and Shrike). Stall AOA is 0.00. But note that...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 10:19 PM

I figured out why its happening if you want to know how the sausage is made :). Well, I pretty much knew why it was happening but I didnt understand why simply setting the aircraft type fixed it.. now I understand.

Mustang 1-1•9/30/23, 10:28 PM

is there a way I can map another usb device's buttons to control hardware trim, as one of my joysticks has a wire running down to a leo bodner card?

NNumber481 I figured out why its happening if you want to know how the sausage is made :). ...

blave549•9/30/23, 10:31 PM

Excellent, and yes that was from the Shrike. Most of the time, it's fun to gather data and figure out something that's not working.

Number481OP•9/30/23, 10:34 PM

without the aircraft type, the app assumes "generic aircraft" and loads all the default parameters. One of these paremeters is the buffeting intensity. The buffeting effect uses the reported stallAoA from the telemetry to calculate the effect... Aircraft is reporting 0.0 so that results in a divide by zero error.

With aircraft type, the helicopter type doesn't have the buffeting intensity defined, so the effect is skipped, so no error.

the force trim in TelemFFB only applies to the "mag brake" release/new-center aspect of force trim.

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