And for helicopters you will either have to use the VPf configurator sticky spring + force trim. Or

And for helicopters you will either have to use the VPf configurator sticky spring + force trim. Or you can enable the force trim implementation in TelemFFB MSFS.Helicopter section.

NNumber481 *which* helo? Unlike DCS, there aren’t a lot of default aircraft profiles insid...

Jehly•9/30/23, 2:51 PM

I bought the H145.

NNumber481 And for helicopters you will either have to use the VPf configurator sticky spri...

Jehly•9/30/23, 2:51 PM

I'll research this

Kreytfire•9/30/23, 3:09 PM

Quick question, of course I did edit the normal user.ini and not the README.ini… is there a way to correct it and get the original back? Sorry if that’s a stupid question, maybe there is a button to reset it but I am not home at my PC these days.. just re-reading the manual again and thought I should better follow the correct way with both .ini

KKreytfire Quick question, of course I did edit the normal user.ini and not the README.ini…...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 3:19 PM

There is no harm in editing config.ini directly. Only that it will get overwritten if you unzip a new version on top of it.

You can simply rename your current one to config.user.ini and then copy the default config.ini out of the original zip file if you want.

NNumber481 *which* helo? Unlike DCS, there aren’t a lot of default aircraft profiles insid...

blave549•9/30/23, 4:01 PM

I didn't know you could turn on h/w trim in the TelemFFB config.user.ini file. What do I need to add to the ini file to turn on h/w trim in MSFS without having to switch it on and off in the Configurator app? (I bounce between MSFS and DCS constantly.)

Bblave549 I didn't know you could turn on h/w trim in the TelemFFB config.user.ini file. ...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 4:04 PM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508/1149013479622193212

NNumber481 https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508/114901347962...

blave549•9/30/23, 4:05 PM

Sorry I totally missed that note. Thanks!

Number481OP•9/30/23, 4:06 PM

you mean you don't monitor the discord like a hawk and take notes on every post?? SHAME!..

NNumber481 you mean you don't monitor the discord like a hawk and take notes on every post?...

blave549•9/30/23, 4:20 PM

Well I surely didn't realize that config.ini had been enhanced so much since the last time I copied it to config.user.ini!!! Suggestion: add a version note to the top of config.ini...

smitty•9/30/23, 4:33 PM

the user.ini shouldnt be a copy of config.ini, it should just have the things you are overriding.. mine has msfs_enabled=1 and a couple heli configs.

Ssmitty the user.ini shouldnt be a copy of config.ini, it should just have the things yo...

blave549•9/30/23, 4:34 PM

<slaps forehead> you're completely correct. Sometimes I wonder how I got through high school, let alone college

Number481OP•9/30/23, 4:37 PM

It can be a full copy..but it doesn’t need to be.

NNumber481 It *can* be a full copy..but it doesn’t need to be.

blave549•9/30/23, 5:02 PM

I much prefer just having the changed stuff in the user .ini. It's much much easier to find stuff! I just deleted all of the stock content in the file; hopefully I didn't screw anything up.

blave549•9/30/23, 6:24 PM

So I couldda sworn I had the Shrike MD530 working with TelemFFB, but I'm getting exceptions now. One line leads me to believe that it's not picking up the "530F.*" entry that I added. But what's weird is that the Cowansim MD500E works fine, and their entries are identical.

The line that makes me think that is this: INFO - Creating handler for Shrike Simulations 530F Default: aircrafts_msfs.Aircraft

I get three exceptions when the aircraft starts. Here is the first:

Exception in thread Thread-2:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "main.py", line 391, in process_data
File "aircrafts_msfs.py", line 383, in on_telemetry
File "aircraft_base.py", line 351, in _update_buffeting
File "utils.py", line 401, in scale_clamp
File "utils.py", line 393, in scale
ZeroDivisionError: float division by zero

config.user.ini entries:

[500E.*]
type=Helicopter
runway_rumble_intensity = 0.5
rotor_blade_count=5
etl_start_speed = 15kt
etl_stop_speed = 25kt
etl_effect_intensity = 0.40
overspeed_shake_start = 120kt
overspeed_shake_intensity = 0.2

[530F.*]
type=Helicopter
runway_rumble_intensity = 0.5
rotor_blade_count=5
etl_start_speed = 15kt
etl_stop_speed = 25kt
etl_effect_intensity = 0.40
overspeed_shake_start = 120kt
overspeed_shake_intensity = 0.2

Maybe it's something with the 530F header. How do I determine the string that I should put in there -- is it something in the aircraft's manifest.json, or something else?

Bblave549 So I couldda sworn I had the Shrike MD530 working with TelemFFB, but I'm getting...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 6:40 PM

It shouldn't be throwing exceptions (I'll have to DL some freeware helis and see if I can reproduce it). But generally you can get the "simconnect name" (my madeup name for it) by loading the aircraft in TelemFFB and seeing what is listed in the telemetry window. If it is erroring out before that happens, take a look at the log to see what it says about the aircraft name when it is looking for a match in the config.

NNumber481 It ***shouldn't*** be throwing exceptions (I'll have to DL some freeware helis a...

blave549•9/30/23, 6:50 PM

Sorted. It wants [Shrike.*] not [530F.*]. Like I said I couldn've sworn it was working before, but... I might be wrong.

Bblave549 Sorted. It wants [Shrike.\*] not [530F.\*]. Like I said I couldn've sworn it was...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 6:57 PM

interesting... are these two variants of the same aircraft/developer? What does the telemetry say about "StallAoA"? Looking at the exception logs you posted origionally trying to determine whats causing it to bomb out.

blave549•9/30/23, 7:45 PM

No -- two different devs (CowanSim and Shrike). Stall AOA is 0.00. But note that when I have the header as 530F.* these lines are logged:

2023-09-30 12:42:56.524 - INFO - Loading parameters from 'MSFS2020' section
2023-09-30 12:42:56.527 - INFO - Creating handler for Shrike Simulations 530F Default: aircrafts_msfs.Aircraft

But with Shrike.*, I get

2023-09-30 12:41:12.666 - INFO - Loading parameters from 'MSFS2020' section
2023-09-30 12:41:12.669 - INFO - Found section [Shrike.*] for aircraft 'Shrike Simulations 530F Default' in config
2023-09-30 12:41:12.670 - INFO - Loading parameters from [MSFS2020.Helicopter] section
2023-09-30 12:41:12.670 - INFO - Creating handler for Shrike Simulations 530F Default: aircrafts_msfs.Helicopter

So it's like if it can't find a valid entry for the aircraft, it doesn't see it as a helicopter. Everybody knows that helicopters that self-identify as an airplane will cause exceptions to be thrown

Bblave549 No -- two different devs (CowanSim and Shrike). Stall AOA is 0.00. But note that...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 9:33 PM

If you're able to reproduce the exception.. I'd love to have a copy of the stack trace from the log.

blave549•9/30/23, 9:58 PM

Is this what you need?

exception_snippet.txt2.64KB

Number481OP•9/30/23, 10:06 PM

Yep.. thats from the shrike? (same error for likely the same reason as Cowan if so)

Bblave549 No -- two different devs (CowanSim and Shrike). Stall AOA is 0.00. But note that...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 10:19 PM

I figured out why its happening if you want to know how the sausage is made :). Well, I pretty much knew why it was happening but I didnt understand why simply setting the aircraft type fixed it.. now I understand.

Mustang 1-1•9/30/23, 10:28 PM

is there a way I can map another usb device's buttons to control hardware trim, as one of my joysticks has a wire running down to a leo bodner card?

NNumber481 I figured out why its happening if you want to know how the sausage is made :). ...

blave549•9/30/23, 10:31 PM

Excellent, and yes that was from the Shrike. Most of the time, it's fun to gather data and figure out something that's not working.

Number481OP•9/30/23, 10:34 PM

without the aircraft type, the app assumes "generic aircraft" and loads all the default parameters. One of these paremeters is the buffeting intensity. The buffeting effect uses the reported stallAoA from the telemetry to calculate the effect... Aircraft is reporting 0.0 so that results in a divide by zero error.

With aircraft type, the helicopter type doesn't have the buffeting intensity defined, so the effect is skipped, so no error.

MMustang 1-1 is there a way I can map another usb device's buttons to control hardware trim, ...

Mustang 1-1•9/30/23, 10:46 PM

one more thing, I downloaded telemffb and I try to edit the file for msfs suport but can't find the entry. where is it?

MMustang 1-1 one more thing, I downloaded telemffb and I try to edit the file for msfs suport...

blave549•9/30/23, 10:50 PM

config.ini has sections for MSFS, both for the sim and (further down) entries for some of the default aircraft. Search for [MSFS2020].

You can create a config.user.ini to override most anything (if not anything; I'm not sure) in config.ini. I prefer treating config.ini as a read-only file.

MMustang 1-1 one more thing, I downloaded telemffb and I try to edit the file for msfs suport...

Number481OP•9/30/23, 10:52 PM

Step one is make sure you have the right version. The "release" build (0.1.3) didnt have support for MSFS. Grab the latest from the pinned post in #VPforce-TelemFFB and then do as blave says

Mustang 1-1•9/30/23, 11:06 PM

Thanks so much!

Mustang 1-1•10/1/23, 12:40 AM

ah. anytime i open fs2020 it crashes on flight loading then once its in safe mode its fine.

MMustang 1-1 ah. anytime i open fs2020 it crashes on flight loading then once its in safe mod...

Number481OP•10/1/23, 12:49 AM

Are you saying TelemFFB is causing MSFS to crash? That would be very unlikely. All it does is request sim connect data.

Mustang 1-1•10/1/23, 12:51 AM

Yeah that’s what’s happening

Mustang 1-1•10/1/23, 12:51 AM

I have excluded every other possible issue

Number481OP•10/1/23, 12:55 AM

but TelemFFB works with MSFS when its in safe mode? I dont know if MSFS disables simconnect in safe mode or not. AAIK, it just doesn't load any mods whatsoever. If so, it is something else causing it to crash.

Mustang 1-1•10/1/23, 1:03 AM

Yeah

Mustang 1-1•10/1/23, 1:03 AM

I figured

Number481OP•10/1/23, 1:25 AM

May have to start with an empty community folder and start moving things back in until you find out what combination is causing it to crash.

Mustang 1-1•10/1/23, 2:41 AM

Yeah. Good idea. And is there any way possible to map force trim buttons to a usb device that is not connected to the rhino? Like I have a real aircraft grip and there’s a wiring harness that runs down to a usb circuit board. Can I map the motorized trim to something like that?

Number481OP•10/1/23, 3:03 AM

Might be possible with the rhino loop back app. I’ve never tried to use it.

MMustang 1-1 Yeah. Good idea. And is there any way possible to map force trim buttons to a us...

walmis•10/1/23, 5:38 AM

Yeah, you can use the loopback app that's included in the VP configurator app package. Set the grip type to loopback and you're good to go.

Mustang 1-1•10/1/23, 2:03 PM

thanks!

blave549•10/1/23, 5:22 PM

I'm trying to add the freeware Cessna T-37 to the TelemFFB user config file. This is what the log says:

2023-10-01 10:05:13.375 - INFO - Loading parameters from 'MSFS2020' section
2023-10-01 10:05:13.378 - INFO - Found section [Cessna T37.*] for aircraft 'Cessna T37 B Tweet' in config
2023-10-01 10:05:13.379 - INFO - Loading parameters from [MSFS2020.JetAircraft] section
2023-10-01 10:05:13.379 - WARNING - Section [MSFS2020.JetAircraft] does not exist
2023-10-01 10:05:13.379 - INFO - Creating handler for Cessna T37 B Tweet: aircrafts_msfs.JetAircraft

Is the warning significant, or can I ignore it? It's not clear to me if it's actually picking up the data in the Cessna T37.* section.

Number481OP•10/1/23, 5:35 PM

Ya. You can ignore it. There isn’t a default “jet” section in the config for MSFS (though there will be in my next update). The part that tells you it is properly loading your config is

2023-10-01 10:05:13.378 - INFO - Found section [Cessna T37.\*] for aircraft 'Cessna T37 B Tweet' in config

2023-10-01 10:05:13.378 - INFO - Found section [Cessna T37.\*] for aircraft 'Cessna T37 B Tweet' in config

Number481OP•10/1/23, 5:36 PM

It’s stil picking up the relevant jet configs from the default MSFS section, but there is currently no separate default section for the jet type.

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•10/1/23, 6:35 PM

@walmis I'm having no luck getting my Rhino to recognize my WinWing F-16 grip. I have the Grip at the end of a Virpil Z-extension and the WinWing adapter. I thought it might be the Grip going bad but I just received a new Grip from WW and still no joy. I've previously attached the Grip directly to the Rhino via the adapter (without the extension) and that didn't work. If I connect a Virpil Alpha directly or via the Z-extension, it recognizes the buttons. All of these problems started after I updated 1.0.16. Can I roll back to 1.0.15? Any other suggestions? Screenshots below of my settings and debug output.

�𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀@walmis I'm having no luck getting my Rhino to recognize my WinWing F-16 grip....

walmis•10/1/23, 6:38 PM

From the log it looks like the adapter itself works, but it doesn't detect the WW grip via the 6pin connector. Is the WW cable fully seated?

Wwalmis From the log it looks like the adapter itself works, but it doesn't detect the W...

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•10/1/23, 7:18 PM

Yes, I've got it down in there as far as it will go. Could the issue be with the adapter even though it shows up? I'm sending one of my WW Grips to a friend that also has a Rhino and WW Adapter to test.

�𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀Yes, I've got it down in there as far as it will go. Could the issue be with the...

walmis•10/1/23, 7:34 PM

It's possible. I've found the socket pins on the 6pin connector sometimes could be in too deep (I've made a video on how to fix it: https://photos.app.goo.gl/um8ZC7NgLJRGkY5U7). The newest adapters (after 2023 July) don't have this problem. If you have a multimeter I could guide you how to test it. If all else fails, I could mail you a new core PCB with connectors.

Wwalmis It's possible. I've found the socket pins on the 6pin connector sometimes could ...

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𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀•10/1/23, 7:38 PM

I do have a multimeter so please DM the guide. Thx.

�𝔐𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢 💀I do have a multimeter so please DM the guide. Thx.

walmis•10/1/23, 7:41 PM

Will do tomorrow, cheers

And for helicopters you will either have to use the VPf configurator sticky spring + force trim. Or

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