While waiting for my Rhino to be built and arrive I am thinking of going into VR…. I am undecided be

While waiting for my Rhino to be built and arrive I am thinking of going into VR….
I am undecided between the Varjo Aero and the Bigscreen Beyond.
Which one would you recommend?

Number481•10/8/23, 11:41 PM

Depends on if you value comfort or clarity. I am biased as I have the aero (since day 1) and have zero complaints about the comfort. Performance in "my sim" (DCS) is second to none with dynamic foveated rendering support. Its an absolute steal at the new price in my opinion.

Number481•10/8/23, 11:41 PM

The BSB form factor is compelling but I won't sacrifice any clarity

Number481•10/8/23, 11:42 PM

You do need top notch hardware though to be able to drive the Aero (or any headset for that matter) at the highest resolutions.

Number481•10/8/23, 11:44 PM

Head over to the Varjo discord. You will find a ton of new users over there since the price drop sharing their impressions.

smitty•10/9/23, 1:22 AM

BSB uses a 3d scan of your face to make the pad.. might make sharing to show a buddy or selling it in the future difficult. also it is stemvr only, there is no native openxr (unless mbucchia makes one like he did for pimax!)

blave549•10/9/23, 1:43 AM

Reverb G2.

Bblave549 Reverb G2.

Seattime•10/9/23, 4:39 AM

G2 is now old tech, plenty better available nowadays.

Mustang 1-1•10/9/23, 5:04 AM

So I recalibrated my rhino to work better for the stick throw limiter I made, then the forces were off, so I clicked the reset button, but it factory reset it. I can’t figure it out now. Does anyone have a way to upload the settings just like it came out of the box? Thanks

Mustang 1-1•10/9/23, 5:05 AM

I have dug a deep hole and just need a factory preset if that’s possible

MMustang 1-1 I have dug a deep hole and just need a factory preset if that’s possible

walmis•10/9/23, 5:43 AM

There's a file RHINO-defaults in the configurator configsconfigs directory

MMustang 1-1 So I recalibrated my rhino to work better for the stick throw limiter I made, th...

amadeus•10/9/23, 6:09 AM

You have to click store to have device remember your settings too

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Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 6:41 AM

Look for vr flight sim guy on yt, he has a few breakdowns on those 2 plus the pimax. Keep in mind the price decrease was recent so older vids will be taking the old price into account.

TTonyM While waiting for my Rhino to be built and arrive I am thinking of going into VR...

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:50 PM

Well the Varjo Aero just dropped in price to under $1k USD, and one website sells it for even less than that at like $890 USD https://twitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1710414637135503417

As for BSB... it'll be some months before yours would ship out even if you ordered today.

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:50 PM

https://www.uploadvr.com/bigscreen-beyond-production-delays

UploadVR

Bigscreen Beyond Early US Preorders Delayed Into Q4

Most Bigscreen Beyond US preorders originally slated to ship in Q3 have slipped into Q4 as the startup experiences production delays.

AndyHill•10/9/23, 12:51 PM

I think the BSB is kind of a bit like the Rhino in the regard that you might need something to keep you going until yours arrives

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:52 PM

Another thing to consider is the software powering the device. Varjo software is, simply put, incredible. Top of the line high end software that would be far superior to anything BSB offers.

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:53 PM

There's also a ton of pre-established tweaks and fixes and setting adjustment by the community to get as much performance as possible out of the Aero for flight sim

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 12:53 PM

And honestly don't really see it as that much of a competition for the varjo in general.

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:53 PM

They are similar in 2 ways

1) they are similarly priced
2) they don't have built in audio solutions

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:54 PM

oh I guess 3, since both rely on Lighthouse 2.0 tracking

AndyHill•10/9/23, 12:54 PM

am I wrong in thinking that one of the strengths of the BSB is that you can easily use whatever headphones you'd normally use?

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:54 PM

No, but you can do the same thing with the Aero

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:54 PM

The primary appeal of the BSB is the small and light form factor

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 12:55 PM

Bsb is premium video viewer at best, where the varjo with eyetracking etc is actually meant for simulation.

AndyHill•10/9/23, 12:55 PM

doesn't it have more involved straps that might make using headphones harder?

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:55 PM

Having used an Aero I didn't have any issue with my headphones

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:55 PM

used 2-3 different pairs with different types of headstraps/cup shapes

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 12:56 PM

I can even fit my regular corsair cans over my quest pro.

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:56 PM

And yeah the foveated rendering on the Aero is the bread and butter of performance

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:56 PM

And how they make the most out of the high res very clear lenses

TTonyM While waiting for my Rhino to be built and arrive I am thinking of going into VR...

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:57 PM

Another thing to consider is PC hardware. Are you on at least a 3080 with a decent CPU? Also you need to be using Nvidia GPU for the Aero, not sure about BSB.

AndyHill•10/9/23, 12:58 PM

anyway I wouldn't buy BSB for myself, but I think it's fantastic that someone is already making a VR headset with such a small form factor

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 12:58 PM

Its even higher res, without the option for dfr, 4090 or dont bother.

JJon (Bounty_V)And yeah the foveated rendering on the Aero is the bread and butter of performan...

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 12:58 PM

Wait, you mean static or eye tracked

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 12:59 PM

The amount of variety in headset shape, design philosophy, and features available on the market right now is great for the industry as a whole.

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 12:59 PM

Also i am not 100% sure but i remember the aero had more ppd in the center than the edges, correct?

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:00 PM

I think you might be referring to the pro version

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:00 PM

it has two separate screens, one for the center

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:00 PM

I don't think the aero does anything like that

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:00 PM

I think i remember 35ppd in center and like 20 on edge

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:00 PM

But that might be lens warping

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:01 PM

Plus that was something from a while ago

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:01 PM

at least with pimax the lens warping actually compresses the center, which is not ideal

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:01 PM

I don't know how it's on aero

Bob Bushman•10/9/23, 1:01 PM

Until good pancakes came, optical claeiry around the edges would be closer to 5 than anything.

AAndyHill at least with pimax the lens warping actually compresses the center, which is no...

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:01 PM

The crystal? Havent heard anything like that

Fierce_Fire•10/9/23, 1:02 PM

I heard it had great edge to edge clarity, better than pico 4

FFierce_Fire Wait, you mean static or eye tracked

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 1:02 PM

It has eye tracking, and its built in software renders stuff based on where you look. The eye tracking cameras run at 200hz. So the image will always be clearest where you look. You can adjust how clear by changing the PPD in the software, which obv needs more GPU the higher you go

The Aero has a smaller 'sweet spot' than other headsets like the Index, but it also has a lower FOV which contributes to this smaller sweet spot.

The image might seem 'blurry' on the edges because that is partially how foveated rendering based on eye tracking looks. Directly where your eyes are pointing will look clearest. Peripheral will start to look a bit blurry.

Here is an example of what foveated rendering looks like, on the PSVR2 in No Man's Sky, one of the only PSVR2 games to support it currently: https://twitter.com/PSVRUnderground/status/1698745249756053538

AndyHill•10/9/23, 1:03 PM

I'm using the 8kx

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/9/23, 1:03 PM

I should also mention there is a distinct difference between a game that has DFR and a headset software using it

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