Artists complains about AI because is taking the personal styles of thousands of artists without any

Artists complains about AI because is taking the personal styles of thousands of artists without any retribution, stealing potential customers and ruining the livelyhood of thousands

KKamquat Besides, what's the functional difference on training an AI on the styles of oth...

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 9:47 PM

When you learn to draw, you develop your own drawing style, something that took hundreds if not thousands of hours to perfect, yeah, you can try and mimic the style of somebody else (rocko edits comes at the top of my head), but again, is somebody that spent a lot of time to perfect, specially if you ask for permission, and you do it as a tribute, that's okay

CCharlieBros Artists complains about AI because is taking the personal styles of thousands of...

Kamquat•1/11/24, 9:48 PM

Sure, but 1) any human could do the same, and 2) this happens with every disruptive new technology. No one needs Ice vendors now that home refrigerators exist, either.

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 9:48 PM

What's not okay, is big corpos stealing the personal style of thousands of artists without them even knowing, nor giving permission

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 9:49 PM

I mean, if we take that argument and expand it, what even are we doing here, collaborating to this project? Just let copilot do all the programming, and an AI to translate everything

CCharlieBros Artists complains about AI because is taking the personal styles of thousands of...

Alex&Indie•1/11/24, 9:49 PM

we are using the basic creative skills we have to make something, its not about stealing money from artists, we are the artists here, if we had to commission these kind of stuff not only will takes months, will probably costs a lot for a free opensource project

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 9:50 PM

That would take out the passion of everything we do, just because we are "slow and expensive"

CCharlieBros When you learn to draw, you develop your own drawing style, something that took ...

Kamquat•1/11/24, 9:50 PM

That's still an emotional argument, and doesn't reflect the reality that this tech exists and isn't going to magically vanish. There's a reason SAG-AFTA had to agree to allow AI generated actors, voices, etc, in the latest agreements that ended the strike that industry was having. It's just plain not going to vanish. All this effort spent railing against it existing at all would be better spent figuring out how to transition things to the new reality that creative industries will have to live with.

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 9:50 PM

And that's a world I don't want to live in

Alex&Indie•1/11/24, 9:50 PM

rei made the logo for bazzite, didnt get paid, they took a couple of hours to make it, its all a community effort

Kamquat•1/11/24, 9:50 PM

I do art for a living. AI generation has sped up my workflow so much.

CCharlieBros @Kyle Gospo I have translated the new stuff and added the new secure boot sectio...

Kyle Gospo•1/11/24, 9:50 PM

I'll send you some instructions as soon as I can

AAlex&Indie rei made the logo for bazzite, didnt get paid, they took a couple of hours to ma...

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 9:51 PM

Correct! They decided that the logo was ugly, and needed a redesign, and so, they used their own time and expertise to design the branding we all agree is great

Kamquat•1/11/24, 9:51 PM

@Kyle Gospo Do I need to be concerned about the big ol SecAdvisories: 1SecAdvisories: 1 in red in rpm-ostree status ?

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 9:51 PM

Is a passion project, using AI is not suitable for a passion and colaborative project

KKamquat That's still an emotional argument, and doesn't reflect the reality that this te...

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 9:53 PM

If we decide to just ignore the emotional arguments, we would become an empty husk, leaving aside humanity will only bring us to our doom

CCharlieBros Is a passion project, using AI is not suitable for a passion and colaborative pr...

Alex&Indie•1/11/24, 9:53 PM

for an animation is justified, i dont think kyle or jorge want to pay 100+ for each image inside the gif and another 300+ for the animation, we are trying to make the job easier here

KKyle Gospo I'll send you some instructions as soon as I can

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 9:53 PM

I'll apreciate it

CCharlieBros If we decide to just ignore the emotional arguments, we would become an empty hu...

Kamquat•1/11/24, 9:53 PM

I feel you're being hyperbolic, but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here.

AAlex&Indie for an animation is justified, i dont think kyle or jorge want to pay 100+ for e...

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 9:54 PM

No, but we could wait for somebody with the right set of skills that wishes to contribute because of their own passion

Alex&Indie•1/11/24, 9:54 PM

i dont think someone wants to make such huge thing for free

Alex&Indie•1/11/24, 9:55 PM

i am waiting crush response and i will try to make one myself with the original images of the gif and the official logo

AAlex&Indie i dont think someone wants to make such huge thing for free

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 9:56 PM

Nobody in their right mind would like to spend hundreds of hours collaborating for free to make Bazzite a great OCI based OS... unless there's passion, interest, just saying

KKamquat @Kyle Gospo Do I need to be concerned about the big ol `SecAdvisories: 1` in red...

Kyle Gospo•1/11/24, 9:56 PM

They'll come and go, anything critical we'll handle

KKyle Gospo They'll come and go, anything critical we'll handle

Kamquat•1/11/24, 9:56 PM

Okay, thanks for the info, I just got worried with the big red text

Kamquat•1/11/24, 9:56 PM

iamchocho•1/11/24, 9:58 PM

yea, and I think that would be great as well. coming up with the promps and tweaking things can also be a bit of an art IMO. all the AI hype has been BS in my opionion its just the new hot thing since crypto fell off the map. where I do find it interesting is use as a tool. Even in coding. saying that AI is going to code an entire application - anyone that says that is kidding themselves. but using "AI" to speed up the workflow of developers that is interesting to me. hell even the term I hate, its just ML rebranded. all the hype, fud and bs around it annoys me and frankly misses the whole point.

CCharlieBros Nobody in their right mind would like to spend hundreds of hours collaborating f...

Alex&Indie•1/11/24, 9:59 PM

dude, i understand what you mean, but its rare that a full ass artist will make it, leave it to us, ai is fine, its not hurting you, and the quality from a real artist is noticeable anyway, the gif images are fine, i wanna use those, they dont have to be 8k res, 3k ppi

AAlex&Indie for an animation is justified, i dont think kyle or jorge want to pay 100+ for e...

j0rge•1/11/24, 9:59 PM

I commissioned all the artwork in bluefin from active paleoartists.

Iiamchocho yea, and I think that would be great as well. coming up with the promps and twe...

Kyle Gospo•1/11/24, 10:00 PM

My favorite is when I ask GPT for code, it answers with incorrect code with non-existing functions, I point that out, and it apologies and does it again

iamchocho•1/11/24, 10:00 PM

and if I had the time to play around with some of the AI art stuff I find it cool I could maybe ask the computer to make some graphic for me that I can envision in my head but dont have the skills for. now I could just make a really bitchin color crayon drawing of what im thinking of. that would be good.

Jj0rge I commissioned all the artwork in bluefin from active paleoartists.

Alex&Indie•1/11/24, 10:00 PM

if you would be down to pay the same for an animation is up to you, but imo having it made for free its fine

KKyle Gospo My favorite is when I ask GPT for code, it answers with incorrect code with non-...

iamchocho•1/11/24, 10:00 PM

this, so much this...

KKyle Gospo My favorite is when I ask GPT for code, it answers with incorrect code with non-...

Noel•1/11/24, 10:00 PM

I love the non-existent ansible modules it will spit out

NNoel I love the non-existent ansible modules it will spit out 😄

Kyle Gospo•1/11/24, 10:01 PM

Billion dollar gaslighting simulator

AAlex&Indie dude, i understand what you mean, but its rare that a full ass artist will make ...

Kamquat•1/11/24, 10:01 PM

My workflow for stuff that needs speed over accuracy is: Sketch image -> AI generate 30 or 40 images using prompts based on my image -> Pick the best -> manually edit and touch up image -> done. It speeds things up massively for me.

Kamquat•1/11/24, 10:02 PM

takes far less time than drawing and coloring entirely manually.

KKamquat My workflow for stuff that needs speed over accuracy is: Sketch image -> AI gene...

Alex&Indie•1/11/24, 10:02 PM

thats basically what we are trying to do

Alex&Indie•1/11/24, 10:02 PM

but its an animation

iamchocho•1/11/24, 10:02 PM

the halucinations are great, and i particularly like the stuff people have come up with to poison the models and cause them to hallucinate, its a facinating arms race to watch. but also frustrating because imagine what we could accomplish if we put the energy going into this into something productive. but alas...

KKamquat My workflow for stuff that needs speed over accuracy is: Sketch image -> AI gene...

Noel•1/11/24, 10:02 PM

I don't think people realize how much work it takes to go through that many images, pick the best one and make changes.

iamchocho•1/11/24, 10:02 PM

all I know is I want them all to get off my lawn

KKyle Gospo My favorite is when I ask GPT for code, it answers with incorrect code with non-...

tryhardsoccermomswag•1/11/24, 10:02 PM

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-sad-guilty-awww-dog-gif-16696124

Tenor

NNoel I don't think people realize how much work it takes to go through that many imag...

Kamquat•1/11/24, 10:03 PM

It takes less time than me manually drawing and coloring the whole thing.

Iiamchocho yea, and I think that would be great as well. coming up with the promps and twe...

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 10:04 PM

Using AI as an aid is the bees knees, like making a TLDR of a long article which I don't have the time to fully read, take out the important points of a presentation to make it more digestable, heck, I have used AI to give me ideas in how to furnish my living room, asking AI to make a picture based in your description and use it as an inspiration is great, is all good, but to use it just to avoid paying people that have dedicated their entire lifes to the craft, it irks me

AAlex&Indie thats basically what we are trying to do

Kamquat•1/11/24, 10:04 PM

Well, I'd say just use After Effects, but that'd defeat the purpose of FOSS (and I personally refuse to give Adobe money)

KKyle Gospo My favorite is when I ask GPT for code, it answers with incorrect code with non-...

Kamquat•1/11/24, 10:06 PM

I tried using chatGPT to write filler in some of my stories just to see what it would do. The results were hilariously bad, so it's not any better at creative writing.

KKamquat Well, I'd say just use After Effects, but that'd defeat the purpose of FOSS (and...

CharlieBrosOP•1/11/24, 10:06 PM

I was gonna use Keynote to make the comparison table once I can... but yeah, I should look for alternatives

KKamquat I tried using chatGPT to write filler in some of my stories just to see what it ...

Noel•1/11/24, 10:06 PM

GPT4 writes like a competent teenager

Noel•1/11/24, 10:07 PM

Me and my roommate were experimenting with writing an entire book using ChatGPT 4

Noel•1/11/24, 10:07 PM

Still haven't gone back to it.

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