DCS-F14-AP-Alt Hold - won't lock in / hold alt select alt with in game F14 specific FFB option on/or

DCS-F14-AP-Alt Hold - won't lock in / hold alt select alt with in game F14 specific FFB option on/or off when using TelemFFB. Getting ready to go down the rabbit hole of troubleshooting.... eg. with/without TelemFFB etc. Just wondering if anyone actually has it working with DCS 2.9 Beta.

WingOverOP•1/17/24, 6:12 PM

Note: There is an old DCS forum post about the F14 AP Alt Hold not working well, which was supposed to be patched, but need to verify current state with community to determine if it is a DCS / FFB / etc issue.

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:14 PM

hmmm, AP hold has generally been working fine for me, although I did a mission the other day, and was potentially noticing that it wasn't totally holding properly, or rather, it kinda was, but was swinging a bunch back and forth (i figured it maybe was related to turbulence or whatever, so i didn't really investigate further)

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:14 PM

it would be good to see if you can isolate more though -- e.g. is it an issue with telemffb not running?

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:15 PM

maybe take it a step further and also try a session with FFB in general disabled just using the rhino as a default spring joystick, and see if it's still an issue

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:15 PM

it also wouldn't surprise me if there's some DCS bug lol

WingOverOP•1/17/24, 6:17 PM

Yup, ok down the troubleshooting rabbit hole I'll go. I'll report back with what I find. Can you PM me your TelemFFB config and VPForce Configs for comparison?

amadeus•1/17/24, 6:18 PM

my vpforce config isn't really anything special, everything on 100%, except periodic effects at 50%, and friction at like 10%, all other default effects are essentially disabled (i have a balance spring I think though?), i can't get telemffb for you right now cause my stuff isn't connected so telem won't show me settings (currently workin rn too)

WingOverOP•1/17/24, 6:19 PM

NP, I'm also technically working...... we can touch base later when I have some notes to share.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 8:29 PM

The F-15E feels really loosely-goosey in the stick unless I crank everything up. A module specific set of settings would be great.

DDuchess ✈The F-15E feels really loosely-goosey in the stick unless I crank everything up....

Carlos NO2•1/17/24, 9:57 PM

Is this not already possible with VP configurator profiles that can be automatically applied by TelemFFB?

CCarlos NO2 Is this not already possible with VP configurator profiles that can be automatic...

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 10:04 PM

I have not noticed it doing that... maybe I have not properly set it up.

Carlos NO2•1/17/24, 10:04 PM

I haven’t done it myself but I have definitely read about that capability in the manual

DDuchess ✈I have not noticed it doing that... maybe I have not properly set it up.

Carlos NO2•1/17/24, 10:06 PM

Page 55 of the manual: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ6_WZDk58_SGt8Y

Google Docs

VPforce Rhino Manual

Sunshine•1/17/24, 10:30 PM

Is this the right place to ask about shipping date on order #612?

FlatSpin•1/17/24, 10:31 PM

dm Walmis

Sunshine•1/17/24, 10:43 PM

I don't know how to DM in Discord

Sunshine•1/17/24, 10:44 PM

@walmis do you have shipping date for order #612?

FlatSpin•1/17/24, 10:45 PM

right click username and there is a "message" option

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 10:48 PM

Here are my settings now. I backed them off a bit from the default config.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 10:48 PM

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 11:13 PM

I keep getting Fault_encoder_magnet errors.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 11:22 PM

I am not sure what is happening, although it is probably because of user error. The Rhino will work okay in the F-15E, then when I move to another plane, the F-5E for example, it seems to want a complete recalibration or reboot. I jumped into the F-5E, the stick works for a minute then I get the fault encoder magnet error. Reset, unplug, plug back in, it goes away, recalibrate then it seems to be fine, as long as I do not yank the stick around.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 11:23 PM

LOL, in the end, it might actually make me a smoother pilot.

Duchess ✈•1/17/24, 11:26 PM

The F-14 has been a complete disaster so far, every time I try to fly it whether it is from the take off position on the ground or a free flight air start, the stick shakes uncontrollably, then finally gives up the fight, gives me the encoder errors for booth X and Y axis and goes limp. A reset then usually works for a bit, but then the cycle repeats.
Again, I am positive I do not have the settings correct or something is not installed right. I will disconnect everything, uninstall everything and try again.

Dr. No•1/17/24, 11:46 PM

Try segmenting the issue for each problem, one effect at a time slowly ramp up until you get what you want and it feels right. Remember, a true experiment is where you change one value and leave the others fixed and adjust that one change how you want it. From a cursory view of your settings, you have friction, inertia higher than mine possible damper as well. Turn down periodic effects much lower and finetune the F-14 specifically. HEATBLUR did extensive work on ffb effects so you really have to segment that one to get it right. I kinda wish people would post their per plane profiles more. There's a few but not many. I havent gotten to the F-14 much yet, if I do ill post my settings. Also the ffb settings to adjust are two-fold; one VPForce FFB Configurator and one VPForce Telemffb software.

DDr. No Try segmenting the issue for each problem, one effect at a time slowly ramp up u...

WingOverOP•1/17/24, 11:58 PM

Yes, agree, working through that now. When I get something that works and I think is repeatable, I'll post my settings for the F-14.
DCS system base - Use FFB - Checked
DCS F14 special use FFB Trim - Checked
DCS F14 Controls - VPForce stick - FFB Tune settings: Trimmer - TBD and Shake - TBD
VPForce Config: Settings TBD [Master TBD, Spring TBD, Damper TBD, Inertia TBD, Friction TBD, Constant TBD]
VPForce Config: Effects TBD [Spring OFF, Damper OFF, Inertial Off, Friction Off, End Stops As Needed, Hardware Force Trim Off, etc... as needed]
VPForce TelemFFB Config: TBD

Oh the joys of troubleshooting

Duchess ✈•1/18/24, 12:24 AM

Awesome stuff. So full disclosure, I rarely, rarely, rarely ever fly the F-14. Did I say rarely? I mainly fly the F-15E, sometimes A-10 and F-5. Of course with the F-4E coming out, I will add that to my stable. I also fly the Apache and the F-16. I have the F-16 covered, and will work on the Apache after I get the fixed wing done. The effects are not the issue for me UNLESS having them turned up is turning the rhino base off, which is what is happening.

smitty•1/18/24, 12:25 AM

i've found that the spring and damper LPF frequencies should not be evenly dividable. otherwise they tend to 'line up' and makes it worse. i see in your case the spring is 4hz and damper 8hz.. try spring 3hz and damper 10hz

Duchess ✈•1/18/24, 12:26 AM

Also, sorry for the poor screenie, I took it with my phone.

WWingOver Yes, agree, working through that now. When I get something that works and I thi...

Dr. No•1/18/24, 12:36 AM

I look forward to your settings

DDuchess ✈Here are my settings now. I backed them off a bit from the default config.

amadeus•1/18/24, 12:38 AM

Can you post a screenshot of the other effects tab

Duchess ✈•1/18/24, 12:47 AM

I will.. inertia,, spring, damper and limiter are checked.

Torattacker•1/18/24, 1:48 AM

Hello,i just find i cant use my stick to control the plane in il2 bos.

Torattacker•1/18/24, 1:48 AM

Torattacker•1/18/24, 1:49 AM

i moved the axis_X,axis_Y,then i find it didnt work.

ddrake1984•1/18/24, 2:49 AM

first thing I always ask people to check is how many devices they have attached

ddrake1984•1/18/24, 2:51 AM

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/72473-so-you-went-and-bought-too-many-peripherals/

IL-2 Sturmovik Forum

So you went and bought too many peripherals...

Il-2 supports up to 8 devices. It's possible to exceed that limit, either because you have multiple vjoy devices, have racing gear attached in addition to your flight hardware, or maybe you just went a little wild building your home cockpit. This is a short guide to fixing that problem. If You On...

DDuchess ✈Click to see attachment

walmis•1/18/24, 6:49 AM

Try setting more conservative filter values, to get it more stable:
Spring 2Hz,
Damper 4Hz,
Inertia 3Hz,
Friction 3Hz

SSunshine @walmis do you have shipping date for order #612?

walmis•1/18/24, 6:50 AM

Yes, today

harf4ng•1/18/24, 8:38 AM

hi, it is possible to invert axis if I want the base to be the other side right? And then, it is saved in the firmware? In the device itself? (talking about the rhino base)

Hharf4ng hi, it is possible to invert axis if I want the base to be the other side right?...

walmis•1/18/24, 9:31 AM

Everything you set in the configurator is saved in firmware - so yes

harf4ng•1/18/24, 9:32 AM

ok thanks. Waiting for some extensions from virpil (available in february), but then I think according to the place I'll put the base, I'll need the base to be the other side to have access to buttons

Reed•1/18/24, 4:13 PM

@walmis did we ever get a best possible default settings profile posted?

Reed•1/18/24, 4:13 PM

I don’t remember seeing it.

Reed•1/18/24, 4:14 PM

For example. The hz you just posted don’t match my default profile.

walmis•1/18/24, 4:20 PM

There's no "best" profile, it all depends on the physical configuration - grip, weight, extension, etc.

Duchess ✈•1/18/24, 5:41 PM

Remarkable improvement by moving the filter values to the settings Walmis suggested. I still feel like it is a little off, but that is more of a “setting” thing I think. And I have not tried “yanking and banking” yet, but it seems to be ho,ding together.

Wwalmis Yes, today 🙂

Sunshine•1/18/24, 6:12 PM

Thank you

DDuchess ✈The F-15E feels really loosely-goosey in the stick unless I crank everything up....

Mustang•1/18/24, 8:46 PM

I started flying the Strike with the Rhino and also noticed it was pretty loose especially around the center making refueling harder. Did you manage to get your settings dialed in for it?

MMustang I started flying the Strike with the Rhino and also noticed it was pretty loose ...

Duchess ✈•1/18/24, 8:49 PM

Using Walmis’ recommendations, I have changed the filters, it feels better, but going past a certain point, it gets really, really “loose”, kind of the opposite of spring resistance where a spring joystick wants to return to center, the stick now gets to a point when pulling back and it wants to remain pulled back or actually go further. I have seen some settings for TelemFFB for the F-15E, but they are part of the “slider” UI and I do not seem to be able to find out how to access that yet.

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