To me the biggest "aha" was trim. With a spring stick you pull, guess at trim, release a little, gu

To me the biggest "aha" was trim.
With a spring stick you pull, guess at trim, release a little, guess again and release a little repeat.

With this you just put the stick where it needs be, trim. It stops fighting and the pressure just eases up, keep the stick where it's needed and when your trimmed it stays there.
No need for guessing, just one move and done.

BBob Bushman To me the biggest "aha" was trim. With a spring stick you pull, guess at trim, ...

Teeks•1/21/24, 10:32 AM

I have a clutch/spingless base for my stick, and the autohover modes with the apache are a nightmare compared to a normal spring with trimming ... how does the VPForce handle it?

BB34ker I don't fly the F14, but the P-51D... firing up that engine and feeling the stic...

Red Magic•1/21/24, 10:46 AM

Have you tried spins from high altitude?

TTeeks I have a clutch/spingless base for my stick, and the autohover modes with the ap...

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:11 AM

When you hold trim release, there are no spring forces acting on the stick, and when you release the trim release button that position of the stick becomes the new spring center. This helps immensely with flying as you can use the stick as if it is springless when maneuvering but trim and do something else when flying long distances.

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:12 AM

Attitude trim also allows me to get a 100% stable hover within max 1 minute of getting lower than 20kts airspeed, and just a few seconds when in the 10kts range

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:13 AM

Admittedly I am comparing a ~40cm extension to vkb gladiator so your improvements may vary

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 11:13 AM

Not very good with the apache, but basically that
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FFierce_Fire Admittedly I am comparing a ~40cm extension to vkb gladiator so your improvement...

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:14 AM

Note here that I made my own system with max motors, but you should get the same force with between 10 and 20cm additional extension, keep in mind the rhino feels like it has 10cm built in

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 11:15 AM

I don't feel the need for an extension, just wish it was 10cm closer

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:17 AM

Sounds like you need Virpil z extension or 3d print

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:17 AM

Benefit of my insane extension is it wraps around my chair so I don't need a cut out

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:18 AM

I do wanna try and reduce it a little bit, see what this monster can really do

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 11:18 AM

Was tempted to try the z extension, but so far gotten most of the way with just a cushion

FFierce_Fire When you hold trim release, there are no spring forces acting on the stick, and ...

Teeks•1/21/24, 11:47 AM

when it's 're-centred' as it were when you force trim, is there a way to have a small deadzone around the 'new' centre? I've found that when I force trim with my clutch-nospring Virpil CM3 base, the autohover mode on the apache just doesnt work. I think there are minute movements still being detected and it cant cancel them out or something

TTeeks when it's 're-centred' as it were when you force trim, is there a way to have a ...

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:50 AM

it has a small motor deadzone (the axis is fully functional, the spring force is just very light) out of the box, which is adjustable

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:51 AM

I will probably increase the force a little bit myself but with the rhino it might be different

Teeks•1/21/24, 11:52 AM

gotcha. Im something like #700 in the queue, so I'll find out myself at some point!

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 11:52 AM

have fun when you get it! itll be great

walmis•1/21/24, 12:22 PM

There's also adaptive recentering feature which tries to minimize error from the trim center

Ssuperbird1011 Just instantly feeling CONNECTED to the plane, like it didnt just feel like a sp...

friedrich_thurston•1/21/24, 12:43 PM

Thanks @adam1220.... that's all I needed to hear! @TorTorden... realistic trim would definitely take the realism up a few notches, thanks! Now what to do with the Mongoos. Didn't someone convert theirs into a collective?

Ffriedrich_thurston So I'm 22 away right now and the anticipation is killing me. What's the biggest...

Tinman•1/21/24, 1:38 PM

The trim and the engine rumble for sure. But for me, it was during a hectic moment defending an IR missile, fighting with the stick as I pull back, then the missile hits, the stick snaps violently, then dead stick. It was just amazing...

friedrich_thurston•1/21/24, 1:45 PM

@Tinman... that's just too cool, thanks! How violent is the stick movement? Enough to rip it out of your hands or just a significant jolt? I imagine that can be changed however you want it.

Tinman•1/21/24, 1:48 PM

I set the effects to be higher, you can definitely tune it to your liking. It rip off my hands and almost hit my leg. You really do want to set it up properly, or else them jewels be crushed... lol

YunacPL•1/21/24, 1:49 PM

Mine us still in transit i wonder how hot it gets I'm considering to mount it below my armchair and it will be closed box ...

YYunacPL Mine us still in transit i wonder how hot it gets I'm considering to mount it be...

Tinman•1/21/24, 1:52 PM

I've seen mine hit 50c, but it's fine. I've asked Walmis twice and he assured me its all good. Far from the limit and for our uses, shouldn't hit the limit.

Fierce_Fire•1/21/24, 2:11 PM

iirc 70 or 80 is closer to the limit so you're fine

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:25 PM

curious

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:25 PM

It might start loosing strength (gradually) at 70-80c, but actually harmful heat is even higher.

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:25 PM

when ordering a rhino is there only 1 motor you choose from

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:25 PM

or does it let you pick which ones, for more or less strength etc

RRed Magic when ordering a rhino is there only 1 motor you choose from

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:26 PM

The rhino is a completed unit, you only get to choose options like throw limiters and adapters.

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:26 PM

The various motors are for diy kits

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:26 PM

ah i see

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:27 PM

looks like it has 11lbs at the base

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:27 PM

of force

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:27 PM

The rhino itself is using two of the 'weaker' motor kits, but its far far from weak

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:27 PM

I was wondering if its possible to mod it at least up to 20 or even 30lbs at the base

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:28 PM

The bigger ones are for differing use cases, for example for pedals you can use a larger motor cause your legs are stronger.

RRed Magic I was wondering if its possible to mod it at least up to 20 or even 30lbs at the...

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:28 PM

peak*

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:28 PM

Better to start with a diy kit at that point as you likely snap any of the 3d printed parts.

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:29 PM

yeah diy is too much cobbling with no tools

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:29 PM

Guess I'll be stuck with the weak motors

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:29 PM

I so far have not found anything missing, it is the strongest stick ive ever owned.

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:30 PM

well when all the others are just springed...

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:30 PM

Indeed, its a bit like comparing bicycle with suped up 4x4 off roaders.

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:31 PM

Could the bigger motors fit into the rhino box well enough anyways

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:31 PM

Doubt it

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:31 PM

11lbs at the base. So it'll probably be only like 6 at the grip

Bob BushmanOP•1/21/24, 2:32 PM

Depends on extension, but I haven't measured.

Red Magic•1/21/24, 2:32 PM

I seek 20lbs at the grip

AndyHill•1/21/24, 2:33 PM

what grip are going to use?

To me the biggest "aha" was trim. With a spring stick you pull, guess at trim, release a little, gu

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