ffb in flight sims has been completely neglegted for years, it's a wonder we have what we do
ffb in flight sims has been completely neglegted for years, it's a wonder we have what we do
ROh my last few questions were with Telem
Atelem does have elevator droop, I think
BI think half of it is basically what they foegot to remove from the old days.
RStick moves with trimming?
Ayes
Ain some planes
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BDoes with most modules ive tried, and you can use the built in trim if it doesnt.
Rbuilt in trim?
Ris that different from regular trimming
BYeah you can map trim buttons in the configurater and it would work by simply sending position input.
BKind of like hardware trim wheels of old.
Roh i mean trim ingame
Rlike if I take my mouse and spin the wheel the stick moves
Aplanes with trim tabs have the trim feedback in the stick, the ones with adjustable stabilizer have different behavior
Awell when you have airflow, obviously
Rstabilizer shouldn't move the stick tbf
ROne of the quirks of the German aircraft
Rallied birds use the normal tabs tho that move surfaces
Atypically all warbirds (and some jets) have trim operation force done natively, telemffb is open source so technically you can make the stick shake when you get ghosted on tinder
S@Red Magic It seems you are looking for very realistic FFB representation like many of us would like to have. Unfortunately we are not there yet at least not with DCS. The ingame FFB is made for the old weak FFB sticks like MSFFB2. What that means is that for example in P-51 you get completely loose stick on the runway and stiffening forces during takeoff but the maximun stiffness happens already at around 200mph as the old sticks didn’t have enough force to emulate stiffening forces any further. My understanding is that to have more realistic FFB there would need to be access to better telemetry data from DCS and then make the feedback profile and effects almost completely with telemFFB. Then we could have all the effects you (and many others) are looking for (realistic spin effects for pedals and stick etc).
SBut you seem to have good knowledge what kind of effects and forces there should be so I think you can help the guys to develop telemFFB further.
RI think SRS is able to access in-cockpit animations and read/control them. A lot of flight envelope stuff can be probably well-enough inferred through a program just reading the cockpit
RProgramming is not something I'm anywhere approachable to though beyond digging around Luas and changing values that were already there
SI don’t have any idea about programming either. I just have high hopes and some vague idea of how an aircraft should feel like. I think there is a bunch of talented guys doing the programming but it is good to also have someone telling what kind of forces / feel the pilot feels through the stick so these things could be programmed.
DI wanna use my VP force base inverted as it is better suited to my seating, but how do I mount my Warthog joystick correctly then? ( do I need to invert adapter on base or something?
YI believe that you can loose them two screws and you can twist connector but im not 100% sure
Fyes
Dwell yea trying to do that, hard to pull it up
WYou might need to lift the leather holder frame and feed the cable into the tube a bit
Dok then I first need to find a torx
Dthank you
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CFor those who fly IL2, do you disable the ingame shake and just use all Telemffb?
AP-51 in DCS has elevator droop
NATTN X-Plane Users
(cross posting from #VPforce-TelemFFB for visibility.. would like to get this in peoples hands to test but it's likely not ready for main distro integration)I'm looking for a few folks to beta test new X-Plane integration for TelemFFB!
I've been busy over the past couple weeks working out how to write a proper plugin for X-Plane that exports the necessary telemetry for FFB generation.
%95+ of the TelemFFB code is just re-use of the MSFS effects module, but leveraging the telemetry my plugin is generating from X-Plane.
Anyone is welcome to test it out, but I would ask that you put it through its paces and provide feedback (comparative to MSFS behavior) and be prepared to help troubleshoot issues with iterative testing and/or updates.
Hit me up via DM if you want a link to a beta exe zip, or I can provide a link to the development repository if you normally run from source.
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MTrim effects work correctly in IL-2 and DCS, meaning it moves the stick on aircraft where it should move, and doesn't move on aircraft where it shouldn't. The exception are aircraft from Razbam, they messed it up.
Overall the aircraft in DCS developed by ED follow the approach that FFB only transmits the effects coming from the control system, and nothing else. So no cockpit shakes, rumble, buffeting, esp. not on aircraft with hydraulic boosters. There is some in WWII aircraft. 3rd parties are free to implement additional FFB effects and sometimes they do. Like Heatblur or Deka.
In IL-2 there are additional rumble and shake effects out of the box. Sometimes even extras like a bobweight in Spit MkV.
Overall the aircraft in DCS developed by ED follow the approach that FFB only transmits the effects coming from the control system, and nothing else. So no cockpit shakes, rumble, buffeting, esp. not on aircraft with hydraulic boosters. There is some in WWII aircraft. 3rd parties are free to implement additional FFB effects and sometimes they do. Like Heatblur or Deka.
In IL-2 there are additional rumble and shake effects out of the box. Sometimes even extras like a bobweight in Spit MkV.
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BSo as far as best practices for config of aircraft that support force trim... should I set up the configurator with Force Trim enabled, using the same buttons as those I use to trim the aircraft in DCS? Or should I leave those all disabled in the configurator and just let the sim handle everything?
BI let the sim handle it all if it can.
BYeah, I had it enabled in the configurator as well as in DCS flying the P51 yesterday, and it felt like it was over-trimming on the slightest button press.
Mdon't mix the two trim options together, or you'll get 2x trim
SFedEx once again overpromising and underdelivering. My rhino was supposed to arrive today, but it’s still in Memphis. 
D@walmis I hate to ping you, any chance I can get the printer file you mentioned to be able to angle the Thrustmaster grip to a 20 degree angle? Is there a location to download it?
WDYou rock! Grazie!
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