I know WebSockets are really fast but their stateful objective makes them kind of BS to work with wh

I know WebSockets are really fast but their stateful objective makes them kind of BS to work with when scaling you can only say handle "regions" and not all users.

CCosmosisT So what's your product link? Sounds cool ai.moda?

dave•1/30/24, 12:17 AM

not too much public yet. Fair amount of internal tools that we use for consulting work.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:17 AM

Server gets overwhelmed and you need to split people off, it's a great but horrible protocol

CCosmosisT I know WebSockets are really fast but their stateful objective makes them kind o...

dave•1/30/24, 12:17 AM

Durable Objects kinda fix that.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:18 AM

I'll give this a read I haven't seen it though

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:18 AM

What's this under?

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:18 AM

I'm a free account not sure I've seen this one.

CCosmosisT I'll look into that, have you used them yet?

dave•1/30/24, 12:18 AM

We don't have any Workers using Durable Objects, though I've been planning on learning them properly for months now

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:19 AM

Is this part of a pro plan+?

CCosmosisT I'm a free account not sure I've seen this one.

dave•1/30/24, 12:19 AM

you need a paid Worker plan. It's $5/m.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:19 AM

I kind of want to learn them to be honest, I am in the midst of re-writing my sitee and backend to be more fast this could maybe solve some broker issues if it's dope.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:19 AM

It's part of the worker?

CCosmosisT It's part of the worker?

dave•1/30/24, 12:19 AM

Yes.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:20 AM

They got free plans if I only test it a few times?

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:20 AM

I'm not even sure about all this new stuff you feel, I'm old-school write it up from scratch and just host more servers and IPC them right.

CCosmosisT I'm not even sure about all this new stuff you feel, I'm old-school write it up ...

dave•1/30/24, 12:21 AM

doing that is a lot of work imo. Once you get the hang of Workers, it's much easier.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:21 AM

That may be a solid solution though cause I worry about a single broker keeping say many media servers state of how many weights left, or user slots and if this can make it so I can run many core brokers

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:21 AM

keeping it stateful and savage ouuf.

CCosmosisT They got free plans if I only test it a few times?

dave•1/30/24, 12:21 AM

Workers can be used on the free plan, just not Workers Durable Objects

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:22 AM

Dave I'm the type of guy who can't trust other code, if I write it and bullet-proof it, I know I'm safe and can laugh.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:22 AM

But dang, what plan is that for then?

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:22 AM

I was considering PRO for the firewall improvements

CCosmosisT That may be a solid solution though cause I worry about a single broker keeping ...

dave•1/30/24, 12:22 AM

Cloudflare scales Workers almost infinitely for many customers.

CCosmosisT But dang, what plan is that for then?

dave•1/30/24, 12:22 AM

https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/developer-platform/

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:22 AM

Yeah I saw I just don't get how it can for a stateful system, that's amazing.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:23 AM

So you work ai.moda?

CCosmosisT Yeah I saw I just don't get how it can for a stateful system, that's amazing.

dave•1/30/24, 12:23 AM

the nice thing is many things don't have to be that stateful when you think about it.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:24 AM

For me, it's mostly who is in a room, who is on what media server, the usage of those media servers and calculating where one should go

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:24 AM

so a single broker for me has a limit of say 100 media servers, 20K users and a broker is a single core.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:25 AM

I must keep certain track to ensure messages from one user makes it to an entire room or a specific user's inbox while in session.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:25 AM

Broker must assign chat servers to users/rooms. it's a lot of state checks.

CCosmosisT I was considering PRO for the firewall improvements

dave•1/30/24, 12:25 AM

imo the Pro plan ($240/year) + Workers paid plan ($5/m) is the best bang for buck.

CCosmosisT I must keep certain track to ensure messages from one user makes it to an entire...

dave•1/30/24, 12:26 AM

Durable Objects using WebSockets is definitely what you want.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:26 AM

I'm considering it, I just have a grand time with the given firewall and my ability to scout bad ASNs free has worked best.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:26 AM

You get that in PRO?

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:26 AM

I've not seen the option as free user otherwise I may apply for a plan haha

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:28 AM

You know what TY for that, I may explore that soon, but yo if you test that let me know how it works when you got concurrency slamming it.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:29 AM

I'm intriqued.

CCosmosisT You know what TY for that, I may explore that soon, but yo if you test that let ...

dave•1/30/24, 12:35 AM

Should work fine.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:39 AM

Cool site, should set the footer to automatically adjust copyright year

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:40 AM

@dave | ai.moda haha

CCosmosisT Cool site, should set the footer to automatically adjust copyright year 😉

dave•1/30/24, 12:40 AM

thanks; it's pretty out of date, we need to fix a bunch of things, but hasn't been a high priority atm

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:41 AM

I feel that, I've re-written my entire site twice now, first stage was rough, second is alright and cutting it but third I think should improve much of the UI/etc.

CosmosisTOP•1/30/24, 12:42 AM

Gets a bit overwhelming the little things, I feel that 10000%. I only fix emergencies currently on my current production copy, and on my development add all these things to the fixes carefully.

But again TY for that tidbit of information, I really want to try that service out and benchmark it.

CCosmosisT Cool site, should set the footer to automatically adjust copyright year 😉