Cloudflare Developers•2y ago

What does revalidating have to do with that? 🤔

What does revalidating have to do with that?

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bun•2/18/24, 6:56 PM

yeah

EErisa What is the location for that bucket? And as I mentioned it will depend whether ...

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 6:56 PM

yes there is a reason, we are a SaaS, designed to host milions of sites. consider us ourselves a cloudflare pages.

OOleg Isonen Western Europe (WEUR)

ErisaOP•2/18/24, 6:57 PM

Testing it from the other side of the world is going to be slow unless cached, this is expected behaviour due to the distance and R2 only storing in a single region currently + not supporting Tiered Cache. The more an asset is requested the more likely it is to be in cache and serve quick.

Or are you seeing slow requests for

cf-cache-status: HIT

cf-cache-status: HIT

? Because that's a whole other question.

EErisa What is the location for that bucket? And as I mentioned it will depend whether ...

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 6:57 PM

Western Europe (WEUR) explains your fast response, its fast from germany too, but globally it's slow, massively, up to 500ms

Unsmart•2/18/24, 6:58 PM

63ms in Texas for me

EErisa Testing it from the other side of the world is going to be slow unless cached, t...

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 6:59 PM

the working assumption here is that we simply don't get the cache hit and fetching from origin across half planet, and I am genially at a loss how this is not something that has been long figured out at cloudflare

EErisa What does revalidating have to do with that? 🤔

bun•2/18/24, 7:00 PM

oh i thought you asked about something else.

i was refering to what you said:

Increasing the cache TTL will keep those caches around for longer but increase time to revalidate when you push new updates.

why would it increase time to revalidate if asset (JS/CSS) paths are going to be changed anyway as the name (paths) of those files changes everytime the project is bundled. assuming the index.html containing those asset paths remains dynamic (not cached)

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Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:01 PM

that's not what I am trying to figure out

Bbun oh i thought you asked about something else. i was refering to what you said: >...

ErisaOP•2/18/24, 7:01 PM

It won't. If you change the names of the assets then that's perfect. The TTL consideration is one to make mainly when trying to cache HTML pages or assets that don't change filename.

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bun•2/18/24, 7:03 PM

its super weird. only firefox seems to cache out of chrome and safari

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:04 PM

@Erisa | Support Engineer if that helps here is what the worker logic looks like that serves that css file, see the /build/ branch

https://gist.github.com/kof/914c593049325eda72b25ad392737647

Gist

dynamic dispatcher

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ErisaOP•2/18/24, 7:05 PM

env.STATIC_ASSET_CDN_ORIGIN

env.STATIC_ASSET_CDN_ORIGIN

an R2 public bucket with Custom Domain?

OOleg Isonen @Erisa | Support Engineer if that helps here is what the worker logic looks like...

bun•2/18/24, 7:08 PM

i dont see u using caching here. i believe you can just add

cf

cf

properties to the

fetch

fetch

request

EErisa Is `env.STATIC_ASSET_CDN_ORIGIN` an R2 public bucket with Custom Domain?

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:08 PM

correct

Ivan Starkov•2/18/24, 7:09 PM

It's cached by default fetch behavior it's seen with

Cf-Cache-Status: HIT

Cf-Cache-Status: HIT

header

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bun•2/18/24, 7:11 PM

yeah but does it retrieve the response from disk cache or still make a request?

bun•2/18/24, 7:15 PM

wdym both? it should display (disk cache) if it actually retrieves the asset from chrome cache

bun•2/18/24, 7:15 PM

why doesnt it do the same for

favicon

favicon

? maybe its because content-type is not provided for this css asset? its still odd. i dont see this behaviour for traditional websites network request flows

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Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:17 PM

that's interesting and I am just

how it can be an unsolved problem out of the box in a straight forward way, because its not like I am trying to shave off 20ms, I am talking real shit-show slow, 500ms in many edges means we are not passing core web vitals "because we are serving static assets too slow" and that's a crazy problem to have in 2024

SSoulHarsh007 👋 I am using rclone to upload files to my s3 bucket, and today I found this ver...

dave•2/18/24, 7:17 PM

If possible, I really recommend everyone avoid multipart uploads.

OOleg Isonen that's interesting and I am just 🤯 how it can be an unsolved problem out of the...

bun•2/18/24, 7:21 PM

i get 10 ms for that css

Ddave If possible, I really recommend everyone avoid multipart uploads.

SoulHarsh007•2/18/24, 7:21 PM

Yep, I reuploaded the file without multipart, because one of our tooling depends on the etag being md5sum ^^

Bbun i get 10 ms for that css

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:21 PM

that's nice, must be a cache hit, though even with cache hit its usually 50ms, you must be living in the datacenter or you are testing it wrong

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:22 PM

150 is more like it when its not too far away from european R2

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:23 PM

150ms with cache hit is a s..t show as well in my opinion

ErisaOP•2/18/24, 7:24 PM

That will also heavily depend on the internet connection and routing quality of the individual requesting it. For example I would probably get 150ms if I used my phones mobile data or had an ISP with poor quality peering

ErisaOP•2/18/24, 7:25 PM

There are two ends of every connection

EErisa That will also heavily depend on the internet connection and routing quality of ...

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:27 PM

you can compare with this static file to see clear difference https://eu.posthog.com/static/array.js

Unsmart•2/18/24, 7:28 PM

thats exactly the same speed for me on cache miss and cache hit from texas

(compared to yours)

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:29 PM

actually this one seems doing well https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/psl/dist/psl.min.js

Unsmart•2/18/24, 7:29 PM

cloudflare seems to do much better when cached though the posthog aws one seems to have higher end latencies when refreshing multiple times

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Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:29 PM

that would be an acceptable performance to me if its globally in that range, I am talking really 500ms bad globally, not trying to shave off 20ms

bun•2/18/24, 7:31 PM

bun•2/18/24, 7:31 PM

its like 200 ms

bun•2/18/24, 7:31 PM

globally

Bbun Click to see attachment

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:31 PM

what resource are you going for with this test, the document? we are discussing static asset, e.g. this one https://webstudio.is/build/_assets/index-6JJ5GLFW.css

bun•2/18/24, 7:31 PM

yeah

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:31 PM

document is not an issue here, even though it could be faster

bun•2/18/24, 7:32 PM

the path param is hidden in settings but its for that url

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:32 PM

@bun what's the tool you are using?

bun•2/18/24, 7:32 PM

https://www.jsdelivr.com/globalping

bun•2/18/24, 7:32 PM

Bbun https://www.jsdelivr.com/globalping

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:33 PM

global ping doesn't even try to fetch a specific resource

bun•2/18/24, 7:33 PM

its not a ping its a http request

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Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:33 PM

CAN'T because it doesn't work with R2 apparently

bun•2/18/24, 7:34 PM

TTFB is what matters here

Bbun its not a ping its a http request

Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:34 PM

to the document, and we are not discussing that, we need that test to the css ressource I mentioned and that tool doesn't let me specify the ressource

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Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:35 PM

what's a normal host? our static ressources are on R2

OOleg Isonen to the document, and we are not discussing that, we need that test to the css re...

bun•2/18/24, 7:35 PM

it does? as i showed in the screenshot

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Oleg Isonen•2/18/24, 7:36 PM

so you want to set up a proxy for R2 so that cloudflare can use tiered cache

What does revalidating have to do with that? 🤔

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