i would still recommend a non sql database for this. its much more easily horizontally scalable than

i would still recommend a non sql database for this. its much more easily horizontally scalable than SQL. ofc planetscale has achieved horizontal scalability with a mysql databases using vitess, but i dont think its enough for a 2 TB data.

bunOP•2/25/24, 3:54 PM

what if you just have a single instance and just use hyperdrive to serve content around the world with low latency ?

Bbun i would still recommend a non sql database for this. its much more easily horizo...

Robin Lindner•2/25/24, 3:54 PM

Personally, I am a big fan of relational databases. I always assumed that they could be optimised well with the appropriate data structure.

Do you think NoSQL would make more sense for my use case?
A few years ago when I looked into it, NoSQL was usually still behind relational databases.
But that might have changed in the meantime ...

Bbun what if you just have a single instance and just use hyperdrive to serve content...

Robin Lindner•2/25/24, 3:55 PM

That would be also an good idea

bunOP•2/25/24, 3:55 PM

it really depends on the shape of your data, but i think hyperdrive solves your problem if you dont have high amount of writes/updates

Bbun it really depends on the shape of your data, but i think hyperdrive solves your ...

Robin Lindner•2/25/24, 3:56 PM

There are big updates 1-2 times a day because the data changes regularly. However, this would not be performance-critical. Only the reads are performance-critical.

zegevlier•2/25/24, 3:57 PM

2tb is a lot of data to have accessible with low latency around the world. May I ask what you're doing?

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bunOP•2/25/24, 3:58 PM

wdym by provide entire database ?

Zzegevlier 2tb is a *lot* of data to have accessible with low latency around the world. May...

Robin Lindner•2/25/24, 4:02 PM

Basically, I aggregate product data from different providers.
As the descriptions are often in different languages, they are run through the Deepl API again and are to be written to a database.
And a few more preprocessing steps to check how reputable the provider is...
And the product images are uploaded to a blob storage or CDN to avoid relying on the provider's image service

In the end, this data should be displayed on a website where you can view and compare the active products.

Basically, a user will not be able to retrieve large amounts of data in one go. However, I would like to keep every single data record with very good performance.

A search function is also planned, but not necessarily the most important thing.
I have already tried it with Meilisearch, but I had problems searching for a single ID, which is sometimes useful for my use case.

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Robin Lindner•2/25/24, 4:04 PM

This is not a requirement of the product.

Just imagine a huge "products" table or bucket.
An end user either clicks on a link that contains an ID or a "slug" and only wants the one product to be displayed.

Fast individual requests, but no mass requests

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Robin Lindner•2/25/24, 4:10 PM

Could be an idea, yeah. And write the relevant data to a Meilisearch/ElasticSearch in parallel to the insert.

skkkekjf•2/25/24, 5:32 PM

Hello everyone, I have a question, I am sharing my cloudflare service with other friends, as a super administrator it allows me to use cloudflare Images but they ask my friends to pay again, do I have to give them any permission apart from cloud images?

Andrew Murphy•2/25/24, 9:34 PM

what's the best way to get data out of D1 for analytics

MMatt Silverlock This is already the case. We run the leader from another data center in the same...

José Junior•2/26/24, 12:44 AM

Hi, can you say if we will be able to, in the future, change the region/location of the leader (writer)?

dhrubo•2/26/24, 1:18 AM

Hi is it possible to use d1 without cloudflare workers in other words using Java app running on remote server? Or from android app

dhrubo•2/26/24, 2:04 AM

Super awesome. Can you pls share link to the API ?

dhrubo•2/26/24, 2:29 AM

Super. Will give this a spin later tonight

dhrubo•2/26/24, 4:56 AM

More question - is there a way to get table meta data like column name, data type , if primary key with api?

Sej•2/26/24, 5:51 AM

Does cloudflare still allow increasing the storage limit on a database? I've already submitted a request on the form but I'm not sure if they still allow it

Ddhrubo Hi is it possible to use d1 without cloudflare workers in other words using Java...

Hello, I’m Allie!•2/26/24, 6:19 AM

Though note that the HTTP API is pretty slow, so we do generally recommend running traffic through a Worker anyway

HHello, I’m Allie!Though note that the HTTP API is pretty slow, so we do generally recommend runni...

dhrubo•2/26/24, 7:48 AM

Yes. Getting there ... Will report

dhrubo•2/26/24, 9:30 AM

It would be great if the API provided database meta data ): -

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 9:54 AM

Hi guys, is it normal to see a huge spike in queries/row metric of D1? I'm observing an unreasonably huge hit in my D1

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 9:55 AM

Sam•2/26/24, 9:56 AM

If you have 100 rows, and do 15 queries, then you'll read 1.5k rows

You can solve this by creating indexes

SSam If you have 100 rows, and do 15 queries, then you'll read 1.5k rows You can sol...

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:01 AM

I've created some indexes, but a lot of my queries does not use that much of row read though

Sam•2/26/24, 10:02 AM

8k queries read isn't even that many. You did over 200 queries. That's 40 rows read per query

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:04 AM

in my dev db, which i didn't use for a week also have some suspicious queries

SSam 8k queries read isn't even that many. You did over 200 queries. That's 40 rows r...

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:05 AM

I didn't see any traffic on my site, that's the problem. My dev site which is not open to the world and left untouch for a week also has this problem

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Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:08 AM

my site has zero trust guarded and all of endpoints are protected with JWT tho.

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:08 AM

my .workers.dev are protected by zero trust too

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:09 AM

cf pages does not let me turn off pages.dev domain anw

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:10 AM

i also have a cron trigger which run every 30 mins, but it only pokes into a table which has no more than 2 records and this record is well indexed. I'm also not enable any cron trigger on my dev site

Sam•2/26/24, 10:12 AM

You can read 5 million rows for free every single day. And if you're well protected, then everything should be fine.

Max (@rozenmd)•2/26/24, 10:12 AM

@saitama looking at your data in the dashboard counts as reads

Max (@rozenmd)•2/26/24, 10:12 AM

particularly the list of tables, is a very inefficient query (since sqlite doesn't provide a means of accurately fetching row counts)

Max (@rozenmd)•2/26/24, 10:13 AM

(we're removing the row count query)

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:13 AM

oh no... I was regularly open the dashboard and saw the high read spike

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:14 AM

so D1 regularly scan my db for metrics? Because I saw the metric before I open the dashboard

TTony Leung so D1 regularly scan my db for metrics? Because I saw the metric before I open t...

Max (@rozenmd)•2/26/24, 10:14 AM

no, only when you open the dashboard

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Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:15 AM

my landing page does not query anything, it's just a plain html page so it shouldn't query anything

Max (@rozenmd)•2/26/24, 10:16 AM

you can use

wrangler d1 insights

wrangler d1 insights

to see what the high rows_read queries are

Max (@rozenmd)•2/26/24, 10:16 AM

i'll bet its a nasty select * from (select count(*) from table...);select * from (select count(*) from table...);

MMax (@rozenmd)you can use `wrangler d1 insights` to see what the high rows_read queries are

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:16 AM

thanks

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:17 AM

I will try it now

Max (@rozenmd)•2/26/24, 10:17 AM

(if the command doesn't exist, you'll need to bump wrangler)

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:20 AM

I'm having a table which has a few thousands of rows. Should I store more than 100k rows in it?

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:21 AM

(I've heard that SQLite is not suitable for large table, but I doubt that is the problem since you guys choose SQLite to be D1, not smth like Derby or Postgres, so it should be mitigated)

Tony Leung•2/26/24, 10:26 AM

ah yes... select sqlite masterselect sqlite master and select (selectselect (select contributes almost 10k

TTony Leung I'm having a table which has a few thousands of rows. Should I store more than 1...

Max (@rozenmd)•2/26/24, 10:26 AM

row count doesn't matter as much as DB size - as you approach 2GB, sharding becomes important

Max (@rozenmd)•2/26/24, 10:27 AM

D1 beta specifically struggles with high write workloads (>400 requests per second), we can do a lot more reads per second, and read replication should multiply that

i would still recommend a non sql database for this. its much more easily horizontally scalable than

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