I encountered a strange issue with MSFS (everything works in DCS): the stick lost all the spring/dam

I encountered a strange issue with MSFS (everything works in DCS): the stick lost all the spring/damping force as soon as I launch TalemFFB. It seems the TalemFFB effect is still on but the configurator shows USB disconnected. If I close the TalemFFB then the stick springs back to center again and can be trimmed as well.

LLei I encountered a strange issue with MSFS (everything works in DCS): the stick los...

Number481•3/5/24, 12:14 PM

what the spring does when you connect TelemFFB to MSFS depends on a great many things. Including:

What type of aircraft is loaded
Whether you are paused/slew mode, in the hangar, or in an active flight and how the pause spring is configured in TelemFFB
Depending on the type of aircraft, whether you are cold and dark, idling on the ground or flying

Under no circumstances will it cause the USB to disconnect however. Unless you are accidentally pushing a configurator profile which changes the USB ID of the device (but that doesn't sound like what is happening).

NNumber481 what the spring does when you connect TelemFFB to MSFS depends on a great many t...

LeiOP•3/5/24, 12:34 PM

it happened mid flight, when i realize i forgot to launch TelemFFB, so i pause the game, launch TelemFFB, unpause game, all spring force is gone, close TelemFFB in the same flight, spring force is back. Had this issue a few times but will try to reproduce it.

LeiOP•3/5/24, 12:42 PM

tried again, this time it did not disconnect, but force trim is not working with telemffb openned. (flying in flyininside B206). Forcetrim works without Telemffb

LLei tried again, this time it did not disconnect, but force trim is not working with...

walmis•3/5/24, 12:43 PM

If you're using the Hardware trim feature, then it won't work if the spring force is controlled by the application

walmis•3/5/24, 12:43 PM

You would need to setup force trim in telemFFB itself

LLei tried again, this time it did not disconnect, but force trim is not working with...

Number481•3/5/24, 12:46 PM

walmis is correct

LeiOP•3/5/24, 12:47 PM

Thx! got it, works now with Forcetrim on in telemFFB. Do i keep the hardware force trim on in configurator? but override trim off? Must admit this bit is still a bit confusing

smitty•3/5/24, 12:49 PM

hardware trim off. btw for "realism", the B206 doesnt have force trim . ive been told it feels like a 70s car power steering, very loose but stays where you put it

LeiOP•3/5/24, 12:58 PM

is there any point of turn on hardware trim in the configurator then? or its better just to do it in Telem in general?

smitty•3/5/24, 1:03 PM

it's for games not controlled by telemffb, so you could set up any generic game to have the function. everything on the effects tab is for "when telemffb is not running"

walmis•3/5/24, 1:53 PM

I might add, not only telemFFB but any native FFB supported game, such as DCS

Ssmitty it's for games not controlled by telemffb, so you could set up any generic game ...

harf4ng•3/5/24, 4:35 PM

not everything. The axis scaling or balance spring works even with telemffb and regardless of the sim. Endstops too. I think the effects that are overwritten by the sim or telemffb are those who have the "sticky" option, of course when this option is off

FFiraga @skyPickle : ☝️ If Rhino is here working as intended, did you find any workaroun...

skyPickle•3/5/24, 6:03 PM

havent flown these birds in a while...I'll check in to see what I did last year

SskyPickle havent flown these birds in a while...I'll check in to see what I did last year

Firaga•3/5/24, 6:12 PM

The software stop and axis scaling did the trick. However, need to remember to adjust every time you change the module.

FFiraga The software stop and axis scaling did the trick. However, need to remember to a...

Number481•3/5/24, 8:12 PM

If you didn’t already know, TelemFFB can dynamically load the configurator profiles for you.

NNumber481 If you didn’t already know, TelemFFB can dynamically load the configurator profi...

Firaga•3/5/24, 8:15 PM

Thanks for the tip! Will take a look.

peteg•3/6/24, 12:30 AM

Is anyone aware of a quick start guide on the best way to tweak the configurator settings? The manual is comprehensive.. I’m just curious if there’s an abbreviated how to somewhere. Thanks in advance!

plehmann•3/6/24, 1:26 AM

@Tinman appreciate the advice on 3 Vs motor power

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[BSD] Molevich•3/6/24, 10:28 AM

Hello all. I have just started testing and configuring my DIY buikld cyclic for Mi-24 DCS helicopter. I am struggling to understand the Trimming setup.
I expect the Trim button when depressed to make the cyclic go loose, and allow for repositioning to a "new centre", which will be offset from true centre. However, the spring effect simply pushes the stick back to true centre. Settings below.

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[BSD] Molevich•3/6/24, 10:31 AM

I dont yet have hardware Trim button activated, so maybe thats why? Using keyboard T.

walmis•3/6/24, 10:34 AM

You have trim override enabled - this will take away trim control from DCS

walmis•3/6/24, 10:34 AM

If you use DCS FFB trim, disable the hardware trim feature

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[BSD] Molevich•3/6/24, 10:51 AM

Thank you @walmis ! I am absolutely loving the VPForce product, and here is a pic of my cyclic so far.

Flynn (Phil)•3/6/24, 11:25 AM

Hi all, I have just installed my Rhino, and am struggling to set it up for DCS.

So, I have a Virpil Z-Extension, oriented to the rear, as per the photo, and I have installed hard-stops, but instead of fore-aft symmetrical, they are 8 degrees forward, and 14 degrees aft. This, with the z-ext, gives me an appropriate throw, but angled slightly to the rear.

I've successfully autocalibrated using the configurator, but once I run DCS, the weight of the stick pulls the centrepoint back a little, so that at rest, the stick is effectively trimmed nose-up.

Is there any way to make the stick rest at the center point, compensating for the slightly asymmetrical stick weight?

Thanks in advance...

Phil

Glaive(Rikk)•3/6/24, 11:27 AM

I use the static force in effects to "trim" that out

Glaive(Rikk)•3/6/24, 11:27 AM

Also under spring in the ffects tab turn on adaptive recentering

GGlaive(Rikk)I use the static force in effects to "trim" that out

Flynn (Phil)•3/6/24, 11:31 AM

So simple. Many thanks.

FFlynn (Phil)So simple. Many thanks.

harf4ng•3/6/24, 11:39 AM

In fact the correct way is to use the "balance spring" feature, if you put your mouse over the feature it says it adds a force to counteract grip weight. This is exactly what you need. Moreover it is a very useful feature as you can add force left, right, top, bottom.
The best way to setup it is to launch dcs with the huey for instance, as it has the force trim (if you do not have it you can enable hardware force trim for testing purpose), then you use for trim at different points, top left, top right, and so on, you see where the circle is and where the blue point is, and you add force so the blue point stays in circle.

FFlynn (Phil)So simple. Many thanks.

harf4ng•3/6/24, 11:43 AM

Look what my settings are, I have the same setup as you, a Z extension on the base. Not the same grip I think though, so you will need to adjust the numbers.

Stryker990•3/6/24, 11:01 PM

While of course not rocket science i assume, looking at all those options i think for a while ill miss the ease of install of a non ffb cam stick base

smitty•3/7/24, 12:01 AM

realism is complicated

Stains•3/7/24, 8:24 PM

I recently had an issue with DCS on a particular private multiplayer server where TelemFFB showed that it was not connected to DCS. My haptic seat software (SimShaker Aviators) also would not connect. Is there some server-side setting that limits communication with the export LUA?

SStains I recently had an issue with DCS on a particular private multiplayer server wher...

JakeSixx33 | 744 |•3/7/24, 8:44 PM

Some servers have player export turned off. It is an anti cheat issue. It isn't necessary to address to address cheating, if you are friendly with the admins you could suggest they enable only that option or find other servers to play on.

Stains•3/7/24, 8:46 PM

Awesome, thank you! I am totally ignorant about server-side stuff. This is my virtual squadron's private server where cheating isn't an issue....this would almost certainly be an accidental misconfiguration.

Wwalmis If you're using the Hardware trim feature, then it won't work if the spring forc...

LeiOP•3/7/24, 9:38 PM

In MSFS, using TelemFFB for force trim, the trim reset everytime i hit pause or esc, or when there is a bad stutter. And i cannot retrim it right away until it has recentered itself first.

LLei In MSFS, using TelemFFB for force trim, the trim reset everytime i hit pause or ...

walmis•3/8/24, 7:16 AM

better post telemFFB related stuff to https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508

mark3r#17•3/8/24, 10:34 AM

Anyone had issues whent trying to use TelemFFB and SimShaker Aviators. It seems when i have both - non of software working :/

Mmark3r#17 Anyone had issues whent trying to use TelemFFB and SimShaker Aviators. It seems ...

walmis•3/8/24, 10:45 AM

You can try changing the order of the scripts that are loaded in the saved games / DCS / scripts / export.lua

walmis•3/8/24, 10:46 AM

also you can post the DCS.log file, maybe there's some hints from the lua interpreter

mark3r#17•3/8/24, 10:46 AM

In log screen i get 2024-03-08 12:42:26.804 - INFO - joystick - Starting DCS Telemetry Listener
2024-03-08 12:42:26.804 - INFO - joystick - Listening on UDP :34380
2024-03-08 12:43:34.138 - INFO - joystick - Device reset event: Invalidating all effects
2024-03-08 12:44:43.838 - INFO - joystick - Device reset event: Invalidating all effects

mark3r#17•3/8/24, 10:47 AM

mark3r#17•3/8/24, 10:48 AM

have reseted all exports and simshaker software

mark3r#17•3/8/24, 10:57 AM

C:\Users\gkami\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta does not exist, ignoring i think its searching for open beta, but since its not open beta anymore maybe here is the cause that software dont want to work as intended

walmis•3/8/24, 11:01 AM

No, the problem is on the DCS lua scripts side, not telemFFB

mark3r#17•3/8/24, 11:03 AM

2024-03-08 13:01:16.115 - INFO - joystick - Device reset event: Invalidating all effects everytime dcs starts getting this error. With default game FFB is working

Mmark3r#17 2024-03-08 13:01:16.115 - INFO - joystick - Device reset event: Invalidating all...

walmis•3/8/24, 11:41 AM

It's not an error

mark3r#17•3/8/24, 12:25 PM

DCS log: 2024-03-08 14:18:25.742 INFO DX11BACKEND (8996): DX11Renderer::shutdown()
TeleFFB log: 2024-03-08 14:18:25.721 - INFO - joystick - Device reset event: Invalidating all effects
this on shutdown of the game, and on starting same error when 2024-03-08 12:17:16.990 INFO INPUT (Main): created [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick] with full id [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick {2AA19D80-0D55-11ee-8001-444553540000}], ForceFeedBack: yes, guidFFDriver: {EEC6993A-B3FD-11d2-A916-00C04FB98638}
trying to trace what causes those errors

Mmark3r#17 DCS log: 2024-03-08 14:18:25.742 INFO DX11BACKEND (8996): DX11Renderer::shutd...

walmis•3/8/24, 12:32 PM

You're looking at the wrong direction, you need to look for LUA errors inside the DCS log. The telemFFB DCS script sends telemetry data over a network socket to telemFFB itself (same principle as simshaker)

mark3r#17•3/8/24, 12:35 PM

I understand that, just tried to trace events on dcs log by the time when error happens in Telem FFB

Mmark3r#17 I understand that, just tried to trace events on dcs log by the time when error ...

Number481•3/8/24, 12:39 PM

what walmis is saying is that this is not an error (the 'INFO' means it just an informational log). You know when you start DCS and the joystick goes limp? That is what that log is saying happened.. the joystick received a reset event from DCS.

I encountered a strange issue with MSFS (everything works in DCS): the stick lost all the spring/dam

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