DCS log: 2024-03-08 14:18:25.742 INFO DX11BACKEND (8996): DX11Renderer::shutdown() TeleFFB log: 2

DCS log: 2024-03-08 14:18:25.742 INFO DX11BACKEND (8996): DX11Renderer::shutdown()
TeleFFB log: 2024-03-08 14:18:25.721 - INFO - joystick - Device reset event: Invalidating all effects
this on shutdown of the game, and on starting same error when 2024-03-08 12:17:16.990 INFO INPUT (Main): created [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick] with full id [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick {2AA19D80-0D55-11ee-8001-444553540000}], ForceFeedBack: yes, guidFFDriver: {EEC6993A-B3FD-11d2-A916-00C04FB98638}
trying to trace what causes those errors

Mmark3r#17 DCS log: 2024-03-08 14:18:25.742 INFO DX11BACKEND (8996): DX11Renderer::shutd...

walmis•3/8/24, 12:32 PM

You're looking at the wrong direction, you need to look for LUA errors inside the DCS log. The telemFFB DCS script sends telemetry data over a network socket to telemFFB itself (same principle as simshaker)

mark3r#17OP•3/8/24, 12:35 PM

I understand that, just tried to trace events on dcs log by the time when error happens in Telem FFB

Mmark3r#17 I understand that, just tried to trace events on dcs log by the time when error ...

Number481•3/8/24, 12:39 PM

what walmis is saying is that this is not an error (the 'INFO' means it just an informational log). You know when you start DCS and the joystick goes limp? That is what that log is saying happened.. the joystick received a reset event from DCS.

mark3r#17OP•3/8/24, 12:39 PM

ahh

mark3r#17OP•3/8/24, 12:40 PM

but then, it works with games ffb, but not with telemFFB, same with Simshaker. Something stops software from reading data

Mmark3r#17 but then, it works with games ffb, but not with telemFFB, same with Simshaker. ...

Number481•3/8/24, 12:43 PM

No, something stops DCS from sending data which is why walmis is pointing you to the DCS logs to look for LUA errors that would indicate and issue loading either the SSA or TelemFFB export scripts.

walmis•3/8/24, 12:46 PM

@mark3r#17 If you could attach the full DCS log here, we could quickly check what's going on

mark3r#17OP•3/8/24, 12:47 PM

dcs.log41.29KB

mark3r#17OP•3/8/24, 12:47 PM

here is latest log, but i cant find that it loads export.lua script here

mark3r#17OP•3/8/24, 12:48 PM

will try to run game agai to freeflight mode, maybe then there will be something usefull

mark3r#17OP•3/8/24, 12:53 PM

finaly, i think vpn was causing it. It was working since last vpn update, now turned off it and all software started to work.

HILOK•3/9/24, 10:16 AM

hi everyone, my vpforce rhino has arrived, and i would appreciate a little help to get me started. feeling kinda lost regarding all the settings. can someone please give me some advice or share their configurator settings and effects for starters? right now i'll be concentrating on the DCS huey...

HILOK•3/9/24, 10:16 AM

thanks

omohat•3/9/24, 10:23 AM

Hi folks. Hoping someone can help me with the excellent Sk60b module for DCS. Basically the stick feels very "light" in this module (absolutely no resistance) and turning up the gain dial on the base does nothing. In TelemFFB (screenshot attached) it doesn't seem to find any profile to match and so it says "using defaults". Any guide me on how I can resolve this as I really like the Sk60b but it's not really usable like this

omohat•3/9/24, 10:25 AM

As a comparison the excellent T-45 module also shows as "using defaults" in TelemFFB but there seems to be decent stick resistance in that module (and it responds to the gain dial)

HHILOK hi everyone, my vpforce rhino has arrived, and i would appreciate a little help ...

Fr4Ged•3/9/24, 10:26 AM

have you checked the Rhino manual yet?
https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1091401951951982602/1091401951951982602
they are also sharing their profiles in #

knowledge-base

omohat•3/9/24, 11:04 AM

I'll try a general profile from the knowledge base and see if that helps.

omohat•3/9/24, 11:05 AM

I'm going to be honest - I've looked at the manual but I'm struggling a little to understand what I need to do when a profile isn't found in TelemFFB

peteg•3/9/24, 11:36 AM

Hi everyone, I’m using two grips on the rhyno depending the aircraft. MSFS only allows one profile and when I switch grips I have to re map some of the buttons in msfs. Can anyone suggest a way around this?

Oomohat I'll try a general profile from the knowledge base and see if that helps.

peteg•3/9/24, 11:39 AM

I’ve only had mine for a short time too and I was in the same boat. These are the settings that I’m using now, which are working pretty well.

FFr4Ged have you checked the Rhino manual yet? https://discord.com/channels/965234441511...

HILOK•3/9/24, 1:01 PM

just discovered the knowledge base after my post...
yes read the manual except chapter 4, but it leaves some basic questions unanswered for me:

1) are there any DONTS to be aware of, such as issues to be expected, when putting all SETTINGS sliders to 100%; in other words, are the sliders supposed to be at 100% and reduced as required individually OR should they be treated like a HIFI amplifier volume that you would only increase to its max with caution?

2) will the EFFECTS settings be overridden when using the rhino with DCS? -at least thats the case for spring force, when used with helos, hence the question...

thanks, and sorry for all the text

AndyHill•3/9/24, 1:56 PM

I'd say turning EVERYTHING to 100% definitely counts as a "don't". Master gain controls everything, spring force is the maximum force and periodic effects controls all the effects you feel and those are pretty much everything you really need. I tend to add some damper and you can experiment with all the stuffs if you want to, but generally you don't need any of the extras and some combinations and settings can definitely lead to "interesting" end results.
Basically the way the system works is that the configurator settings define what your stick "is" and in-game settings define what it "does". If your spring force in configurator is 50%, any games will be able to adjust the spring force between 0 and 50% of the Rhino's maximum. You can start by upping the gains and spring force to the max to get a feel for what the Rhino can do. This will not break the base (I won't guarantee anything, though), it will simply cause more heat to build up and the Rhino will know what to do when that happens. Then adjust the settings (spring force in configurator) to what you like and go from there. If this causes too much heating and you'd rather not have the fans kick in and the stick reduce forces automatically, keep adjusting until you are comfortable.
One way to adjust the effects settings is to set them to 100%, make the potentiometer adjust periodic effects, go fly and keep adjusting literally on the fly until you're happy. With the other settings you can of course experiment to your heart's content, but I'd suggest that at least initially you leave everything alone unless you really feel that you need some damping or friction. And always after applying settings watch out for weirdness, hold the stick firmly and keep one eye on that big red button.

Oomohat I'll try a general profile from the knowledge base and see if that helps.

Number481•3/9/24, 2:59 PM

These community mods often don't support FFB. The C130 is the same way. In DCS, the actual FFB part (resistance, spring, trim, etc.) are all modeled by each individual aircraft. TelemFFB only adds supplemental effects/rumbles etc.

To create a new aircraft profile in TelemFFB for an aircraft that it does not know about, hit that big purple button that says Create/Clone config for new aircraft. But this will not fix the lack of FFB issue on the Sk60

NNumber481 These community mods often don't support FFB. The C130 is the same way. In DCS...

omohat•3/9/24, 3:06 PM

Thanks for that explanation. I suspected it was something like that. So would adjusting settings in VPForce FFB Configurator at least be able to get me a better "stick feel" until I can create a new config in TelemFFB for the Sk60?

omohat•3/9/24, 3:07 PM

I'm hoping the answer is yes because the VNAO T-45 also doesn't have a profile but the stick feel is much better without messing with any settings (amount of resistance)

Oomohat Thanks for that explanation. I suspected it was something like that. So would ad...

Number481•3/9/24, 3:21 PM

not really, no. TelemFFB is just an effects generator for DCS, since DCS has native FFB implementation (as opposed to MSFS where TelemFFB does it all since MSFS has no FFB).

When you start DCS, the app sends a "reset" to all FFB devices, this is why your stick goes limp when starting the game.

Each individual module is responsible for setting up their own FFB effects like spring/damper, etc.

If the Sk60 mod doesn't implement any FFB, the only thing you will be able to do is create a VPForce Configurator profile with "sticky spring" enabled. You could then use the hardware trim features in Configurator to be able to trim the stick with a hat switch.

Then you could export this configurator profile and use TelemFFB to dynamically load it when you spawn into that aircraft.

Truuul•3/9/24, 3:58 PM

How to enable Hardware trim for DCS? I've chosen Instant trimInstant trim in special settings and I have TelemFFB running in the background

HHILOK just discovered the knowledge base after my post... yes read the manual except c...

Anthony•3/9/24, 4:18 PM

Regard the effects sliders as spices:

You can pour everything in all the jars on right away, but you’ll likely ruin the dish.

In this case the dish costs over 800€ though.

Anthony•3/9/24, 4:25 PM

I ramped especially periodic effects up to 100% initially, but it’s honestly too damned much. The shaking will be uncomfortable and I’m not even sure that all the hardware involved stands up to it well in the long run (my MT chair mount had started shaking the screws open after a while).

I’ve been back to the default slider settings since a couple of weeks after I got it last May. Minor tweaks in Effects and module specific ones in TelemFFB.

Tinman•3/9/24, 5:00 PM

📃general

Tinman•3/9/24, 5:01 PM

How do I enable this? I fiddled with the hat to button check marks and stuff, I dont seem to be able to make it work.

Tinman•3/9/24, 5:02 PM

If its enable already, it's not working on my end as when I use the thumbsticks, there are no button activation on the configurator.

TTinman If its enable already, it's not working on my end as when I use the thumbsticks,...

walmis•3/9/24, 5:10 PM

Calibrate the thumbstick and it will work as Hat4

Wwalmis Calibrate the thumbstick and it will work as Hat4

Tinman•3/9/24, 5:10 PM

alright, ty

Tinman•3/9/24, 5:12 PM

Working now, ty again.

neok•3/9/24, 6:48 PM

Isit possible to rotate the connector 180deg? I unscrewed the screws but don’t want to tug on the piece too hard. It’s not coming out easily.

NNumber481 not really, no. TelemFFB is just an effects generator for DCS, since DCS has n...

omohat•3/9/24, 7:38 PM

Thanks for the help - managed to create a profile for the SK60b thats working pretty well now.

Nneok Isit possible to rotate the connector 180deg? I unscrewed the screws but don’t w...

walmis•3/9/24, 7:46 PM

You might need to open the leather cover and feed in the cable into the tube

neok•3/9/24, 8:12 PM

ah ok thanks, but we are suppose to be able to swap it around yes?

walmis•3/9/24, 8:14 PM

Yeah

neok•3/9/24, 9:30 PM

worked like a charm

neok•3/9/24, 9:31 PM

I noticed I get a lot of creaking when using any extension really

neok•3/9/24, 11:09 PM

I think the creaking actually happens somewhre in the shaft with an extension installed due to the torque. I already tightened the 4 horizontal screws, but am afraid to tighten them more since they are going through the printed material.

neok•3/9/24, 11:09 PM

Anybody else got the same issue?

neok•3/9/24, 11:11 PM

its very noticable on the roll axis

neok•3/9/24, 11:12 PM

Fr4Ged•3/9/24, 11:42 PM

uuufff...maybe put some o-rings inbetween the shaft and stick?

Giba•3/10/24, 1:38 AM

Hi @walmis, hi all, I'm having an issue. Just unpacked my DIY kit and powered it on.
Motor X is offline, Motor Y is Ok, USB is connected. Firmware is 1.0.16. The motor X looks powered and blink green. It looks like address or RS-485 is wrong or something like that.
How to fix it?. Same problem reported by Vitalii on 03/01

FFr4Ged uuufff...maybe put some o-rings inbetween the shaft and stick?

neok•3/10/24, 2:48 AM

It’s not actually the connection between the threads that is super solid. Something in the shaft is creaking. @walmis any pointers?

Giba•3/10/24, 6:03 AM

@walmis. I have to disconnect the X plug Motor 1 to calibrate , otherwise both motors shows offline. i also tested motor X connected at Plug Y motor 2 and it is ok. Looks like something wrong with firmware or motor 1 connector

DCS log: 2024-03-08 14:18:25.742 INFO DX11BACKEND (8996): DX11Renderer::shutdown() TeleFFB log: 2

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