Cloudflare Developers•2y ago

#d1-beta is it possible cloudflare D1 will have unlimited size per database?

AAim Salam #d1-beta is it possible cloudflare D1 will have unlimited size per database?

DaniFoldi•3/25/24, 8:28 AM

unlikely in my opinion to have unlimited sizes anytime soon

AAim Salam #d1-beta is it possible cloudflare D1 will have unlimited size per database?

Max (@rozenmd)•3/25/24, 8:55 AM

D1 is built to work to the strengths of Cloudflare's network, so we can't offer extremely large databases while also loading them quickly. It's significantly easier for us to offer millions of DBs with a size limit instead.

The limit is currently 2GB and we're working towards making it 10GB - but D1 will require a change in how you think about your project's data if you're looking to build a big platform. Instead of storing all of your data in a single DB, you would store each customer's data in their own DB (and we're building tooling to make it easier to dynamically access multiple DBs in a single Worker without redeploying)

MMax (@rozenmd)D1 is built to work to the strengths of Cloudflare's network, so we can't offer ...

Aim SalamOP•3/25/24, 8:58 AM

Thank you for the response. I'm very excited what D1 can do in the future. I'm looking forward to it

Max (@rozenmd)•3/25/24, 8:59 AM

also if you want to stick to the old model (one single big db), we have Hyperdrive for that: https://developers.cloudflare.com/hyperdrive/

Revan•3/25/24, 9:01 AM

hi, does cf d1 support/implement the generate_seriesgenerate_series function of sqlite?

RRevan hi, does cf d1 support/implement the `generate_series` function of sqlite?

Max (@rozenmd)•3/25/24, 9:06 AM

doesn't look like we've enabled that extension yet, if you file a feature request for it here, that'd be awesome: https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd/issues

Revan•3/25/24, 9:11 AM

sure, will do

Revan•3/25/24, 9:21 AM

I made the issue here: https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd/issues/1888

wasnt really sure what to write

RRevan I made the issue here: https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd/issues/1888 wasnt ...

Max (@rozenmd)•3/25/24, 9:53 AM

perfect, thank you!

sabin•3/25/24, 1:42 PM

how does d1 compare to turso?

sabin•3/25/24, 1:42 PM

couldnt find anything online abt it

AAaronO Could you elaborate a little on the eager load proportional to DB size ? As an ...

Max (@rozenmd)•3/25/24, 5:55 PM

Probably a better question for @kenton (when they're around)

MMax (@rozenmd)D1 is built to work to the strengths of Cloudflare's network, so we can't offer ...

itsmatteomanf•3/25/24, 5:58 PM

The biggest limit here (but I know you are working on it, so hopefully soon it gets fixed) is that you can't dynamically connect to a database.
If I have millions of users, how can I configure a database per user (if I can work around the limits that cross-user queries are impossible, at the moment) and reach it via Workers?

AAaronO Could you elaborate a little on the eager load proportional to DB size ? As an ...

kenton•3/25/24, 6:10 PM

The way you are imagining it works is the way D1 v1 and v2 worked... which turned out to be way too slow. In v3 we pull the full database down to local disk upfront.

AAaronO Did v1 and v2 use the local disk as cache too ? In the limit, eagerly pulling th...

kenton•3/25/24, 6:19 PM

I believe pages were actually cached in RAM (which is why the database size limit was 100MB). I wasn't closely involved with v1 or v2 though so can't comment in that much detail.

kenton•3/25/24, 6:20 PM

v3 is based on a new storage engine which I described a bit here: https://twitter.com/KentonVarda/status/1659551757796515846

Kenton Varda (@KentonVarda) on X

So I've spent the last ~three months writing a new distributed storage engine based on SQLite and it has been FUN!

https://t.co/NVorwS46x8

Twitter

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5/19/23, 1:29 PM

kenton•3/25/24, 6:20 PM

(still haven't actually published the alluded blog post, sorry)

dave•3/25/24, 7:21 PM

is there a way to skip to the end of a table in the Cloudflare Dashboard?

dave•3/25/24, 7:22 PM

I have a ton of rows and it's a huge pain

AAaronO Thanks, I'll look forward to the blog post

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 2:27 AM

~~I believe the blog post was already published here: https://blog.cloudflare.com/d1-turning-it-up-to-11~~ Missed the fact that was referencing a yet-unpublished, longer blog post.

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Kartoffel🟢🟡🔴•3/26/24, 3:54 PM

cannot load d1

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Kartoffel🟢🟡🔴•3/26/24, 3:55 PM

thanks

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Max (@rozenmd)•3/26/24, 4:13 PM

it's back

Jan Piotrowski (janpio)•3/26/24, 10:10 PM

Is there a suggested way to "export" the schema of a remote D1 database to use it locally?

JJan Piotrowski (janpio)Is there a suggested way to "export" the schema of a remote D1 database to use i...

Max (@rozenmd)•3/27/24, 5:22 AM

natively, there will be soon - until then there's https://github.com/nora-soderlund/cloudflare-d1-backups

MMax (@rozenmd)natively, there will be soon - until then there's https://github.com/nora-soderl...

Jan Piotrowski (janpio)•3/27/24, 9:05 AM

Cool!
Can you share the approach the native solution will be going? CLI command? Library method?

JJan Piotrowski (janpio)Cool! Can you share the approach the native solution will be going? CLI command?...

Matt Silverlock•3/27/24, 1:19 PM

To confirm: do you mean the DB and contents, or just the schema?

MMax (@rozenmd)D1 is built to work to the strengths of Cloudflare's network, so we can't offer ...

RexNormous•3/27/24, 3:18 PM

This DB-per-user vision is very exciting to me and very relevant to my application. I know D1 GA had been mentioned to be coming up soon (this or next month). Is this "sharding" of databases further out than that, and not something we should bank on anytime soon?

I'm actively working on migrating my application to D1 and wondering if sharding is something I can be planning for now as I migrate.

RRexNormous This DB-per-user vision is very exciting to me and very relevant to my applicati...

Max (@rozenmd)•3/27/24, 3:30 PM

We have folks using it already via a rather clunky user asks for a db -> create a new d1 db via api -> update worker script bindings via apiuser asks for a db -> create a new d1 db via api -> update worker script bindings via api workflow, but we'll be streamlining that as much as possible over the coming weeks/months

MMax (@rozenmd)We have folks using it already via a rather clunky `user asks for a db -> create...

RexNormous•3/27/24, 3:35 PM

Interesting... that unfortunately seems like a lot of separate migrations to worry about

My unhelpful 2 cents is that it's be awesome to have selecting db instance be like choosing a Durable Object to interface with, e.g.: env.DB.getByShardKey(id: string)env.DB.getByShardKey(id: string). Then all DB's under that shard key would share a schema, get the same migrations, and effectively be "grouped' together, if that makes sense.

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RexNormous•3/27/24, 3:40 PM

This is really awesome - didn't realize this existed.

Picturing my user's sign up flow though, I'd effectively need to pause a user's sign up and go into a "setup phase" for them (when a new deployment kicks off, db is created, etc.), then email them when we've "provisioned" their account. I think this would work if my app was invite-only & in beta, but unfortunately my app is on-demand and self-serve.

Rich•3/27/24, 4:40 PM

Does anybody know if it's possible to read environment variables in a wrangler.toml file?

For context I want to run wrangler d1 migrationswrangler d1 migrations on our CI and would like to read the accountId and db Id from env vars rather than hard coding them in .toml files?

RRich Does anybody know if it's possible to read environment variables in a wrangler.t...

Hello, I’m Allie!•3/27/24, 5:05 PM

You cannot, unless you generate the file dynamically yourself

Mmare arcis In theory would d1 read replicas (when released) be faster than KV coming from a...

Max (@rozenmd)•3/28/24, 7:29 AM

KV is architected to support millions of requests per second to a single namespace, D1 is not

Max (@rozenmd)•3/28/24, 7:30 AM

(imo) KV would still be faster

MMax (@rozenmd)KV is architected to support millions of requests per second to a single namespa...

Hello, I’m Allie!•3/28/24, 8:16 AM

Could D1 not horizontally replicate in a single location to handle those queries? It wouldn’t be immediate, but it should be possible to scale with demand, no?

Hello, I’m Allie!•3/28/24, 8:21 AM

Or well, actually, can multiple D1 instances connect to a single “stored” DB, assuming they are both in the same colo?

Hello, I’m Allie!•3/28/24, 8:21 AM

If so, spinning up a second read replica should only take a few milliseconds

Hello, I’m Allie!•3/28/24, 8:35 AM

That would be a killer feature against KV, since it would mean the ability to scale to millions/billions of RPS, while having replication time of 1-2 seconds or less(compared with KV's 1 minute+ cacheTtls).

Hello, I’m Allie!•3/28/24, 8:47 AM

And as for the limitations on the size of the DB, if you could shard along the primary key, then you should be able to get a lot more mileage out of it

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