Why does fedora have 3 bin dirs (/usr/bin /usr/sbin and /usr/libexec for things that are executed in

Why does fedora have 3 bin dirs (/usr/bin /usr/sbin and /usr/libexec for things that are executed indirectly) but arch has just /usr/bin and one thing in /usr/libexec (on steamos)?

Ddnkmmr Why does fedora have 3 bin dirs (/usr/bin /usr/sbin and /usr/libexec for things ...

Kyle Gospo•4/16/24, 5:00 PM

sbin is in the progress of being merged with bin

Kyle Gospo•4/16/24, 5:00 PM

legacy stuff

Kyle Gospo•4/16/24, 5:00 PM

libexec is likely to stay, that's better for selinux

Kyle Gospo•4/16/24, 5:01 PM

offers a bin dir that's not in autocomplete and has execute perms

KKyle Gospo sbin is in the progress of being merged with bin

dnkmmrOP•4/16/24, 5:01 PM

is redhat/fedora doing that or ublue?

Kyle Gospo•4/16/24, 5:01 PM

fedora, we aren't a distro and would never make a change like that

KKyle Gospo fedora, we aren't a distro and would never make a change like that

dnkmmrOP•4/16/24, 5:01 PM

oh ok

fiftydinar•4/16/24, 5:56 PM

libexec is for executables which should not be exposed for direct executing by the users I think

M2•4/16/24, 6:22 PM

dnkmmr take look at more of the /usr/lib you'll see executables there as well. /etc and /var occaisionally has some. Unfortunely, not all applications follow FHS.

That said: /usr/libexec is excellent for attempting to have a directory for all things that should be executable but not on path.

MM2 dnkmmr take look at more of the /usr/lib you'll see executables there as well. /...

dnkmmrOP•4/16/24, 7:21 PM

why were bin and sbin even separate?

M2•4/16/24, 7:22 PM

old days sbin was for statically compiled binaries necessary for early boot operations

Luke Skywunker•4/16/24, 9:11 PM

sbin - static binary ... that makes total sense

LLuke Skywunker sbin - static binary ... that makes total sense

dnkmmrOP•4/16/24, 11:44 PM

why does it need to be seperated

Ddnkmmr why does it need to be seperated

Kyle Gospo•4/16/24, 11:47 PM

sbin was originally stuff that would be required to boot

KKyle Gospo sbin was originally stuff that would be required to boot

dnkmmrOP•4/16/24, 11:47 PM

I thought that was /bin /lib and /sbin

dnkmmrOP•4/16/24, 11:47 PM

but what about /usr/sbin

Ddnkmmr but what about /usr/sbin

Kyle Gospo•4/16/24, 11:48 PM

https://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/sbin.html

bketelsen•4/17/24, 12:04 AM

@dnkmmr remember the history of unix/linux started with the main subdirectories typically being completely separate storage devices, which would be mounted in a particular order to bring up the system. We still carry that "legacy" in the linux filesystem hierarchy.

Atapi•4/17/24, 12:12 AM

is there a way to replace the kernel in a bazzite installation with one that the user has compiled themselves?

Atapi•4/17/24, 12:12 AM

i wanna build a 6.7 fsync kernel with Matt's refresh patch

AAtapi is there a way to replace the kernel in a bazzite installation with one that the...

Kyle Gospo•4/17/24, 12:13 AM

@Sterophonick https://bazzite.gg/ See "build your own"

Bazzite - The next generation of Linux gaming

Bazzite is a custom image built upon Fedora Atomic Desktops that brings the best of Linux gaming to all of your devices - including your favorite handheld.

Kyle Gospo•4/17/24, 12:13 AM

you'd have to install that kernel yourself in a container, but the examples are all there

Kyle Gospo•4/17/24, 12:13 AM

no need to fork

Bbketelsen @dnkmmr remember the history of unix/linux started with the main subdirectories ...

dnkmmrOP•4/17/24, 12:45 AM

slackware still hasn't performed the usr merge (at least what I know of)

Ddnkmmr slackware still hasn't performed the usr merge (at least what I know of)

Kyle Gospo•4/17/24, 12:51 AM

https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge
took debian years to do it

Kyle Gospo•4/17/24, 12:51 AM

and it's not strictly necessary to do so in the first place, so for someone like slackware they might never do it

M2•4/17/24, 12:59 AM

Fedora is just now doing /usr/bin and /usr/sbin merge.

Arch already did this. Effectively all binaries are in /usr/bin and everything else a symlink.

Why not get rid of them? Compatibility with old software.

Daph•4/17/24, 12:59 AM

What's the benefit of using the ublue image template vs bluebuild?

DDaph What's the benefit of using the ublue image template vs bluebuild?

Kyle Gospo•4/17/24, 1:00 AM

ublue image template is pure containerfile, bluebuild is module based w/ yaml

KKyle Gospo ublue image template is pure containerfile, bluebuild is module based w/ yaml

dnkmmrOP•4/17/24, 1:21 AM

where is the repo?

dnkmmrOP•4/17/24, 1:21 AM

for bluebuild

Ddnkmmr where is the repo?

Noel•4/17/24, 1:24 AM

Ask in the BlueBuild discord.

NNoel Ask in the BlueBuild discord.

dnkmmrOP•4/17/24, 1:25 AM

I didn't realize it was a swperate project

dnkmmrOP•4/17/24, 1:25 AM

seperate

Ddnkmmr I didn't realize it was a swperate project

Noel•4/17/24, 1:26 AM

That split happened quite a while ago. https://blue-build.org/blog/introducing-bluebuild/

j0rge•4/17/24, 2:10 AM

Some random person who works in the embedded industry stopped by the booth I was working today to tell me about the 30m talk he gave at some embedded trade org show about universal blue. He wants to make "bluefin but for embedded systems" engineers.

j0rge•4/17/24, 2:11 AM

I was like, whoa.

Jj0rge I was like, whoa.

Noel•4/17/24, 2:11 AM

https://tenor.com/view/coroca-keanu-reeves-gif-19058801

Tenor

Kyle Gospo•4/17/24, 3:31 AM

@bsherman ugh now tar is giving me shit about perms

Kyle Gospo•4/17/24, 3:31 AM

Is there no way to fix this change from F40?

KKyle Gospo @bsherman ugh now tar is giving me shit about perms

bsherman•4/17/24, 3:57 AM

Search up for jstone’s comment about this

Ddnkmmr where is the repo?

Luke Skywunker•4/17/24, 11:34 AM

https://github.com/blue-build

Jj0rge I was like, whoa.

zulcss•4/17/24, 2:57 PM

im at home

Noel•4/17/24, 6:12 PM

@Kyle Gospo quick update, the inst.resolution is there for the ISO images downloaded direct from cloudflare. Gonna check the ISOs on the torrent real quick.

Noel•4/17/24, 6:14 PM

uhhhhhh.

Noel•4/17/24, 6:14 PM

The torrent file says it's 14.5GB?

Noel•4/17/24, 6:15 PM

gnome is 12.8GB

Kyle Gospo•4/17/24, 6:15 PM

might be that both ISOs are in the torrent

Noel•4/17/24, 6:15 PM

Oh.

Noel•4/17/24, 6:15 PM

I see the problem.

Why does fedora have 3 bin dirs (/usr/bin /usr/sbin and /usr/libexec for things that are executed in

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