sounds like a fair price. But you aren't using any libraries, shop systems, etc on the backend?
sounds like a fair price. But you aren't using any libraries, shop systems, etc on the backend?
<If yes and if this was requested/given by the client, I think you should probably even charge more. On the hand as this is your first time, it's a bit of a different story. I - as a customer - would expect that it is done professionally with high security standards. If you can't hold up to this expectation, I would communicate it, charge less and take it as a learning experience for yourself
NThat's incredibly cheap lol
N$50 gets you like 20 mins of engineering time
<yup, so if you're using a shop system and it's just a few clicks, the price is fine
<But it doesn't sound like it. So I assume it takes at least 5h to integrate it? Then I would charge 400€+
N:kekw:
<yeah, I saw that and fixed it. The word "payments" was blocked 
NMe when I work on pa***nt systems
<depends, I integrated PayPal in a PHP web project using a library and it was like 8h in total, including setting up a developer account and testing the pingbacks etc
NWas it just simple payments or more complex things with e.g. subscriptions, triggering payments on demand without a specific user interaction, etc.?
<it was for subscriptions. Basically you can buy different packages on that page and they last for a year and then auto-renew
NSounds very quick, good job
<yeah I was surprised as well. The paypal API has good documentation (and the plugin did most of the work anyway)
NOh there was a plugin, right
KI'd charge at least $60 if it took you 3hrs
Kthat's a good baseline
NWhy the heck is everyone so charging these low hourly rates?
NA normal engineer for professional services is like 180 an hour + tax
<I guess because most people here are young & inexperienced. If you're below 18 and/or you didn't finish university or similar yet, you simple can't charge the industry standard.
<More like 120-140€/hour in my experience, at least for web dev work in Germany
NWe used to charge 150 an hour in Germany but that was almost 10 years ago
N$20 an hour still seems low, even for students
NBut you do you, good to see people work in general
<Lol really? What kind of work was that? What I heard from other agencies is mostly 130€/h. And we charge 120€/h which already seemed much to me, because it was a big increase from the 90€/h we used to charge the previous years.
NIt was professional services for data migration etc. (and custom development of stuff on our platform)
<I think it's based on average jobs for students have wages of below 20€/$ per hour, so they base the price for freelance work on that as well
NI need to lower pay for our working students then
<What do they get? 
<Here they usually just get minimal wage, maybe + 1 or 2 € at max
NMostly depends on skill but something between 25 and 35 an hour
<Damn
<For bachelor or master?
NDoesn't matter as long as they know their shit
NTech salaries here in Germany are pretty low in general tbf
NIf you told me it's $5k I'd be happy and accept
<Ok that's cool. I think it's nice, because that shows respect to them. I often felt weird, when I wrote an invoice to a client for about 100€/h and I got paid 11€/h by my boss
NKind of depends what you position yourself as though, if you say "I'm cheap labour please hire me also I know nothing" you obviously can't charge as much
<For 3h of work? No.
NIf they deliver like a senior they're getting paid (almost) like a senior
Nthat's just called being an asshole:abyss:
DHello
DDo you need help with anything?