Good, I only have to wait further ~460 orders 😄
Good, I only have to wait further ~460 orders 
MThis is crazy talk. Paid on Friday for No. 571, arriving in rural Texas, USA today (Monday). Pumped.
DIm at 960~ 
TGm, all! I'm new to the FF market and was looking at the Rhino. I read there is a rather extensive waiting list, is that correct?
SYeah, it should be about 6 months or so when I get mine, and it's already longer. If you have some DIY inclinations, you can get a kit and put it together yourself in a much shorter time. VPForce sells the motors and controllers. You can either 3D print the rest yourself, or there's some folks that sell this parts.
DSome people here say its around 6-9 months which is fine
TAh that's not too bad. I think I think I waited a year or so for my MTS pit. Lol
TOr maybe it was 9 months for the pit and 6 months for the seat. It was a while...
TMaybe I'll wait a month for my work stipend to kick in and put an order in.
PWhatever the wait time is for the Rhino it's worth it. The FFB "effects" are really cool & can help not just with immersion but also 'feeling' the aircraft better etc. which can lead to better flying. But for me the biggest thing about the Rhino & FFB is the ability to customize the feel of the stick & be able to change this with different profiles. No going in & swapping out springs & tweaking dampners etc. With vpforce config you can make you stick feel right for a modern 4th gen fbw jet & then with the change of profile you can make it feel like a heavy warbird. Also when it comes to flying helicopters in sim the Rhino is just the best thing you could get, propper force trim is the best! I really love my Rhino it has added so much to my flight simming experience. Also Walmis & the rest of the discord are so helpful when it comes to any questions or help you need, I have seen Walmis put out an update for a single person's needs & it was done in a single day, in fact a matter of hours. Walmis has done a great job with this community & his customer service.
TThat sounds great. Thanks for the insight!!!
Pno worries m8
(@Tigermaus if you are remotly thinking about one go and put in a pre order now and get on the waiting list rather than wait a further month before starting at the back of the list
It’s a 6-9 month waiting list just now and you don’t have to put down a deposit or anything until your unit is built
If you decide it’s not for you u can just cx and the next person in the list will jump up a place
It’s a 6-9 month waiting list just now and you don’t have to put down a deposit or anything until your unit is built
If you decide it’s not for you u can just cx and the next person in the list will jump up a place
(Or as mentioned earlier if you have some diy skills a diy build can be done in as little as a day
SAs above, put your name on the list now. You won't even be able to pay until maybe a month out or there about. If you decide to cancel at that time, it's no big deal.
Dfinally got my rhino base. 7 months. Anyone use a winwing f16 stick with the adaptor. Is anyone getting more than 32 buttons registering? some of the hats including the trim pov hat are not registering, basically anything past 32 buttons nor the axis based controls like the analog hat (part of the addon on the left) and the trigger pull axis on the bottom (buttons work on it)
WDid you enable the winwing profile?
Dthank you 
TAdded my name to the list.
SSmart move
OWhat will the non VAT prices be from the 1st July? planning an order from Australia
OAlso what is shipping to Aust? Just trying to crunch the numbers of kit vs prebuilt
NI think that announcement was only for intra-EU tax purposes? The price doesn't change I think
IMine also shipped on a Friday and showed up Monday about an hour north of Houston, Texas.
IThe package from Lithuania made it to my door a day sooner than 2 packages ordered a day prior from inside the US.
II use a 16EX and mine didn't register at all at first. I took it off, turned the cable 180 degrees, plugged it in, it worked.
Dmy problem was much simpler. i forgot to set the grip type
IOh, easy fix lol.
IAlso, is there any news on the MFG Crosswind FFB kits? I signed up for the pre-order a little bit ago and just curious on the if/when's
SIf I were going to go the DIY route, is there another USB board I can use or do I have to have the one in the DIY kit?
Fyou have to have the one in the diy kit
SAm I able to use the VKB gladiator stick?
Nonly if you convert it with either gunfighter rev.B or rev.C grip adapter, buy a blackbox, then buy the vpforce vkb adapter
SDang, is there an easier/cheaper stick? I might have to keep saving up for a bit.
LVIRPIL grips work natively and are at least cheaper than Thrustmaster which also work natively. Can also go second hand route for either to find a deal.
Nunfortunately, unless you are willing to step down to warbrd/f14/kg12 levels of grip functionality, i'm not sure if there is a cheaper option than converting the SCG and buying a blackbox
Naside from vkb, winwing might come out as second cheapest if you buy a normal F16 stick on the US store, with the free shipping, $140 or so
Nbut ww needs an extra adapter, like vkb
Nbut then again, if you're considering rhino, is the ~$100 for a BB3+grip adapter+shipping really that big an issue? Even a DIY rhino will set you back far more than that
Nalso, selling the NXT and getting a [used] VPC grip could save a bit of money
MGot home today, unpacked the big box from Lithuania, and was wowed immediately by the Rhino build quality. I have a 3d printer, and I sure wish I could make my pirnter produce parts as lovely as VPForce. Piddled around and got it set up in between hanging with the kids and wife. Finally got the boys to bed, and loaded up default settings, with some simple axis swapping to match the orientation of the unit on my rig. Fired up DCS---and without any tuning, immediately realized what all the fuss is about. Truly transformative. Trimming is no longer an exercise of exasperating futility, and the hydraulic smoothness of the Rhino is a pleasure in and of itself. Can't wait to get some more seat time and tuning in the next few days. All this is to say . . . hang in there . . . the wait is worth it.
MBy the way--for the Winwing adapter users: if your grip is slipping/rotating in use, get some step grip tape (like sandpaper with adhesive backing), cut out a circle the diameter of the inside of the adapter, and a smaller hole inside it to expose the 6-pin connector, and stick it in the adapter. The bottom of the Winwing grip will not slip . . . Learned this method from Realsimulator forums to limit slippage on TM style grips.
TYeah I wish people could truly understand the feeling of FFB.
A lot more people would get them because it’s an eye opener for sure (especially if you fly heli or warbirds.. mid era like F4/F14)
A lot more people would get them because it’s an eye opener for sure (especially if you fly heli or warbirds.. mid era like F4/F14)
BJust the configurability alone, sure you can tune a virpil/vkb gimbal but you will have to completely disassemble it and rebuild them. With ffb and the rhino in particular all of that and more can be tuned with a few button clicks.
Not to mention just in general as a straight up spring stick it makes my virpil feel like a clunky and grainy toy.
Not to mention just in general as a straight up spring stick it makes my virpil feel like a clunky and grainy toy.
DTotally agreed on the experience. Its transformative. I received mine yesterday, connected my winwing f16 stick and launched into dcs after work. Started to fool around with the f4e and four hours later realized i should be in bed Cant wait to try out the apache tonight. Pairing this with vr (i have a crystal) is an eye watering experience (I started my flight simulator experience with f117a on a 386 ). I think the best way to summarize it is that it the feedback makes the plane feel alive. For me, this makes all other joysticks obsolete.
Cant wait to try out the apache tonight. Pairing this with vr (i have a crystal) is an eye watering experience (I started my flight simulator experience with f117a on a 386 ). I think the best way to summarize it is that it the feedback makes the plane feel alive. For me, this makes all other joysticks obsolete.MVery cool. We have similar ancient history with flight games. Mine was F15 Strike Eagle II, which I think was about that same time period as "F19"/F117a. Still have the 3 1/2 inch floppy disk. It truly is amazing how far both the sims and hardware have come.
Dmicroprose & ea/janes
Ddoes anyone remember yeagers air combat? i dont even want to think about how many hours my roomates and i spent on that.
LI've enjoyed WarBRD though it's one of the cheapest. It's shaped just like real Huey's and Phantom's grips and that's what I fly now. I've got two fancier, expensive grips too, but this feels better for F-4 and UH-1. Make sure you have enough buttons elsewhere (I do I have pretty much everything mapped in both cockpits)
SI started with FS 3 i think, maybe 4. First milsim was Flying Fortress, the first iteration.
SAKA the good ole days