Somnium went bezerk on the optical quality, completely disregarded audio, and now want to sell at tw

Somnium went bezerk on the optical quality, completely disregarded audio, and now want to sell at twice the price of pimax, even more expensive than varjo, both manufacturers who have had multiple generations on the market. They have given a review sample to exactly one youtuber before bringing it on the market. I have a reservation, but I'll pass. The premiums they charge for eye and hand tracking are ridiculous.

ArnoOP•6/21/24, 6:40 AM

And the translucent plastic. 500 Euros extra. 600 with taxes. That's more than a Quest 3.

AArno Somnium went bezerk on the optical quality, completely disregarded audio, and no...

Diverzant•6/21/24, 6:56 AM

No VR can be 3500€ good. Besides the GPU you need to run DCS with such VR is probably 25 years down the road

Mmechsicko 9nm, direct force? aluminum construction , looks to use the m36 termination too ...

Boggy•6/21/24, 7:28 AM

Am I right in thinking that that is more than double of the Rhino (4.2 nm?) ? Or am I messing things up?

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Boggy•6/21/24, 7:29 AM

Pffff...those are stupid prices. The Crystal resolution is incredible, I personally wouldn't need anything much better than that unless it's significantly cheaper or has other advantages.

Nnubbins am legitimately prouder of the idiotic "desk mount" I've devised for rhino, than...

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•6/21/24, 8:53 AM

ohhh. beautiful:) I have the same kind of Deskmount. Just not as good looking

BBoggy Am I right in thinking that that is more than double of the Rhino (4.2 nm?) ? Or...

Xaero Zero•6/21/24, 9:01 AM

afaik 72T/12 gives 6:1 so thats 1.8x6 =~ 11nm peak
those simracing companies always specify peak torque for marketing

VPforceBot•6/21/24, 9:45 AM

:package:

RHINO #0592 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•6/21/24, 9:45 AM

:package:

RHINO #0593 Has Shipped!

Mmechsicko 9nm, direct force? aluminum construction , looks to use the m36 termination too ...

TheAmazinGreat•6/21/24, 11:00 AM

Knowing sim racing marketing, there’s a good chance aluminum just refers to the housing and the 9nm is some peak torque level that isn’t close to actual or sustained force.

Bob Bushman•6/21/24, 11:59 AM

Or they could refer to sustained as 'X' seconds until they overheat.

As always we can't trust just the marketing blurb.
Until confirmed through testing, even if its just 9nm at mount point for an impulse, if the price is competitive than it can still be excellent value, at least for helicopters.

j9murphy•6/21/24, 11:59 AM

Am I going to have any issues with the Rhino using the TM F18 or F16 grips as long as I keep my extension 200mm or less?

BBob Bushman Or they could refer to sustained as 'X' seconds until they overheat. As always ...

Touch_Of_Legend•6/21/24, 12:03 PM

Yeah no fans makes me wonder about overheat protection because thermal is just facts of life but if it’s cheap and gets more folks AND more importantly more games to pay attention to FFB data..

Win for the Rhino

AndyHill•6/21/24, 12:04 PM

heavy TM grips with long extensions can be a challenge, but I haven't tested that myself so I don't really know

AndyHill•6/21/24, 12:05 PM

do note, however, that rhino basically comes with a built-in extension so if you add 20cm to that it's going to be a lot

Bob Bushman•6/21/24, 12:09 PM

I got my rhino on a small pedestal barely 10cm off the floor, and my extension builds about 10cm more.

I still have to raise my arm to manage the grip, i can finger fly with my hand resting in my lap, so honestly could probably loose a few cm in height.

In short with a 20cm extension, the rhino will be on the floor.

AAndyHill heavy TM grips with long extensions can be a challenge, but I haven't tested tha...

j9murphy•6/21/24, 12:10 PM

Thanks, found the drawing - looks like about 290mm from the bottom of the base to the threads, so I would only need 100mm max, maybe less. I assume that would improve things.

Touch_Of_Legend•6/21/24, 12:11 PM

There is a section in the manual on balancing heavier sticks or sticks that are off center because of a curve or Z off set extension so I’d for sure give it a read as well

TTouch_Of_Legend There is a section in the manual on balancing heavier sticks or sticks that are ...

j9murphy•6/21/24, 12:12 PM

thx, will take a look

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•6/21/24, 2:06 PM

hey guys, I got one DIY kit ready to ship on monday if someone is interested, let me know.

BBoggy Am I right in thinking that that is more than double of the Rhino (4.2 nm?) ? Or...

mechsicko•6/21/24, 2:23 PM

Stock Rhino is 9Nm

TTheAmazinGreat Knowing sim racing marketing, there’s a good chance aluminum just refers to the ...

mechsicko•6/21/24, 2:26 PM

Possibly, though Moza racing bases seem to be honestly rated at sustained torque. Then there's companies like Simagic who's 10Nm on paper is actually 13Nm on a torque wrench.

Mmechsicko Stock Rhino is 9Nm

Boggy•6/21/24, 2:34 PM

Oh cool! Thank you

Wwalmis Post a screenshot of your settings

YunacPL•6/21/24, 3:40 PM

walmis•6/21/24, 3:47 PM

Yeah, those are DIY defaults. Try importing the Rhino defaults .vpconf file and hit store config, should be good to go.

Wwalmis Yeah, those are DIY defaults. Try importing the Rhino defaults .vpconf file and ...

YunacPL•6/21/24, 3:49 PM

now it looks better thanks

CCol. Sanders $499 maybe?

superbird1011•6/21/24, 3:59 PM

Is that true? The Moza is 499??

EP1C AV8T0R•6/21/24, 4:03 PM

https://mozaracing.com/flight

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MOZA invites you to experience top-tier flight simulator solutions! We are dedicated to providing high-performance flight simulator equipment and accessories for aviation enthusiasts and professional pilots.

Ssuperbird1011 Is that true? The Moza is 499??

Col. Sanders•6/21/24, 4:06 PM

Should have clarified it was my speculation

superbird1011•6/21/24, 4:09 PM

Ahh okay!

superbird1011•6/21/24, 4:10 PM

@walmis what are your thoughts on the Moza? There’s some speculation of similarities with the Rhino going around other discords.

EP1C AV8T0R•6/21/24, 4:12 PM

Also @walmis Is #0594 shipping today? I am anxiously awaiting its arrival!

EEP1C AV8T0R Also @walmis Is #0594 shipping today? I am anxiously awaiting its arrival!

walmis•6/21/24, 4:19 PM

It will be shipped on Tuesday (Monday is a national holiday)

EP1C AV8T0R•6/21/24, 4:20 PM

Thank you. Please see PM

Ssuperbird1011 @walmis what are your thoughts on the Moza? There’s some speculation of similari...

walmis•6/21/24, 4:25 PM

Kinda curious to see the internals and what software they came up with

superbird1011•6/21/24, 4:25 PM

I bet!

walmis•6/21/24, 4:26 PM

And also everyone's holding their breath for the price tag

Col. Sanders•6/21/24, 4:30 PM

Yes it will be interesting what price they end up with. I can't imagine their software will be as good or as flexible. Seems like most companies software is half baked and takes a long time to update.

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•6/21/24, 4:33 PM

I will take a goot bet it will look very similar to the market leading rhino FFB as they will back engineer it

Col. Sanders•6/21/24, 4:35 PM

The real question is, who is the green or red that provided them with a rhino? One of us is a traitor

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Number481•6/21/24, 4:49 PM

@walmis ... time to close-source TelemFFB and start charging a subscription!

Reed•6/21/24, 5:06 PM

I’ll pay $12 per year.

NNumber481 @walmis ... time to close-source TelemFFB and start charging a subscription! 🤣

Anthony•6/21/24, 5:44 PM

https://tenor.com/view/robocop-id-buy-that-for-a-dollar-buy-shocked-surprised-gif-4918932

Tenor

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 5:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsZKy_dkMl4

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Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 5:53 PM

https://youtu.be/SsZKy_dkMl4?si=Un-VTNtjjk9E5GhO&t=1167 Timestamped to see the software @walmis

YouTubeBlu Games

New Force Feedback Joystick Base by MOZA Flight [First Look]

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 5:54 PM

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 5:54 PM

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 5:55 PM

these are the only pictures they have of the interior

https://mozaracing.com/flight/moza-ab9-base

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MOZA AB9 Base Notify Me MOZA AB9 Base MCLS Force Feedback Algorithm 9Nm Dual Servo Motors Aviation-Grade Aluminum Alloy Construction High-Resolution Encoder Compatible with Top Flight Simulation Games Quiet and…

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 5:55 PM

9Nm Dual Servo Motors

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Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 6:00 PM

For info the user does a basic unboxing, physical setup, and then a lot of gameplay in both a jet and a helicopter both in DCS I'm fairly certain, then shows the software.

mechsicko•6/21/24, 6:03 PM

In the software I see checkboxes for both direct and telemetry input… hmmm

Somnium went bezerk on the optical quality, completely disregarded audio, and now want to sell at tw

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