@walmis what are your thoughts on the Moza? There’s some speculation of similarities with the Rhino

@walmis what are your thoughts on the Moza? There’s some speculation of similarities with the Rhino going around other discords.

EP1C AV8T0R•6/21/24, 4:12 PM

Also @walmis Is #0594 shipping today? I am anxiously awaiting its arrival!

EEP1C AV8T0R Also @walmis Is #0594 shipping today? I am anxiously awaiting its arrival!

walmis•6/21/24, 4:19 PM

It will be shipped on Tuesday (Monday is a national holiday)

EP1C AV8T0R•6/21/24, 4:20 PM

Thank you. Please see PM

Ssuperbird1011 @walmis what are your thoughts on the Moza? There’s some speculation of similari...

walmis•6/21/24, 4:25 PM

Kinda curious to see the internals and what software they came up with

superbird1011OP•6/21/24, 4:25 PM

I bet!

walmis•6/21/24, 4:26 PM

And also everyone's holding their breath for the price tag

Col. Sanders•6/21/24, 4:30 PM

Yes it will be interesting what price they end up with. I can't imagine their software will be as good or as flexible. Seems like most companies software is half baked and takes a long time to update.

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•6/21/24, 4:33 PM

I will take a goot bet it will look very similar to the market leading rhino FFB as they will back engineer it

Col. Sanders•6/21/24, 4:35 PM

The real question is, who is the green or red that provided them with a rhino? One of us is a traitor

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Number481•6/21/24, 4:49 PM

@walmis ... time to close-source TelemFFB and start charging a subscription!

Reed•6/21/24, 5:06 PM

I’ll pay $12 per year.

NNumber481 @walmis ... time to close-source TelemFFB and start charging a subscription! 🤣

Anthony•6/21/24, 5:44 PM

https://tenor.com/view/robocop-id-buy-that-for-a-dollar-buy-shocked-surprised-gif-4918932

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Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 5:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsZKy_dkMl4

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Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 5:53 PM

https://youtu.be/SsZKy_dkMl4?si=Un-VTNtjjk9E5GhO&t=1167 Timestamped to see the software @walmis

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New Force Feedback Joystick Base by MOZA Flight [First Look]

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 5:54 PM

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Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 5:55 PM

these are the only pictures they have of the interior

https://mozaracing.com/flight/moza-ab9-base

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Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 6:00 PM

For info the user does a basic unboxing, physical setup, and then a lot of gameplay in both a jet and a helicopter both in DCS I'm fairly certain, then shows the software.

mechsicko•6/21/24, 6:03 PM

In the software I see checkboxes for both direct and telemetry input… hmmm

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 6:04 PM

They list it as working in a lot of different games too including MSFS 2020

mechsicko•6/21/24, 6:04 PM

Looks like telemetry is internal to the software, with turbulence etc sliders for adjustment

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 6:05 PM

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 6:05 PM

They don't list it here but I'm 99% sure I saw someone elsewhere mention P3D

JJon (Bounty_V)For info the user does a basic unboxing, physical setup, and then a lot of gamep...

Bob Bushman•6/21/24, 6:28 PM

The f18 and Kiowa.

PiNKSH!T•6/21/24, 6:58 PM

some of the comments are painful. Do ppl even watch & listen to videos or just go straight to the comments?

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LastRonin•6/21/24, 7:01 PM

Interesting they put IL2 1946 there and not Sturmovik. Also, not sure if they just mean the War Thunder vibration feedback or if they actually worked with War Thunder to add more Force Feedback effects to the game which would be pretty insane.

LLastRonin Interesting they put IL2 1946 there and not Sturmovik. Also, not sure if they ju...

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 7:03 PM

Sturmovik is in the text on the left.

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 7:04 PM

Granted it doest specify version I like to think it means great battles as well

JJon (Bounty_V)https://youtu.be/SsZKy_dkMl4?si=Un-VTNtjjk9E5GhO&t=1167 Timestamped to see the s...

nubbins•6/21/24, 7:05 PM

This is where we begin to appreciate having a pot to adjust master gain

nubbins•6/21/24, 7:05 PM

Looks like a good base

LastRonin•6/21/24, 7:11 PM

Also for the grip what is this a 2 way switch? https://mozaracing.com/flight/moza-mh16

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Reed•6/21/24, 7:43 PM

Hmm telemetry ffb support.

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:11 PM

Their throttle has built in haptic rumble to gauge airspeed

amadeus•6/21/24, 8:11 PM

big question I have is there's no signs of any sort of active cooling, so i wonder how quickly it will overheat and kill forces

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:12 PM

Don't think I've seen that in any other consumer throttle yet, unless WinWing did it with their F15 stuff

Aamadeus big question I have is there's no signs of any sort of active cooling, so i wond...

Xaero Zero•6/21/24, 8:26 PM

Moza wheelbases are very famous for overheating with early revisions

Xaero Zero•6/21/24, 8:27 PM

so i'm quite certain it will be the case here, and they usually release 2-3 revs. based on feedback half a year/ year later

Xaero Zero•6/21/24, 8:27 PM

what i really hope is answer from Big companies like Simucube, Simagic and Asetek

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:30 PM

Yeah I've no doubt that Moza's FFB base will be a spark that ignites some innovation/revolution in the flight sim market.

Virpil, VKB, and WinWing all playing checkers against each other slowly innovating and bringing out new things (granted, pandemic was tough on everyone so totally understandable places choose not to throw the resources and time required at making something like an FFB base), while Moza comes in playing 4D chess with their first line of products.

Very very smart of them to make it 3rd party grip compatible. Now all the Virpil and TM chads can use their existing grips. Others just need an adapter which already exists for other bases.

amadeus•6/21/24, 8:31 PM

yeah, great move to make it more compatible with stuff

amadeus•6/21/24, 8:31 PM

now we got VKB out there with the one unique connector

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:31 PM

I've not seen in depth look at their pedals yet, but the throttle and FFB base at least seem very innovative and are bringing new things to the market that aren't available elsewhere for consumers at scale.

amadeus•6/21/24, 8:31 PM

competition is great!

amadeus•6/21/24, 8:32 PM

also glad to see companies start to recognize the market

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:32 PM

The throttle has built in haptic vibration for flight speed, the FFB base is something no other brand has on the market for consumers except Brunner, and our GOAT walmis.

The pedals also look pretty decent. The grip is pretty solid looking too, similar to the F16EX grip from WinWing in that it has an expanded module of buttons at the top.

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:33 PM

Honestly couldn't ask for a better introduction product line into the flight sim market.

LastRonin•6/21/24, 8:34 PM

I mean at least airspeed would be easy to get telemetry from, but going to Rhino advantage, I'm not sure how the profiles per plane will be. Or, even if there will be just one haptic motor. Still an interesting feature especial for aerial refueling simulation.

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:39 PM

now all they need to do is let their ffb base also function as a shifter

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:40 PM

surely with the motors they could emulate shifting gears, for sequential and h pattern

@walmis what are your thoughts on the Moza? There’s some speculation of similarities with the Rhino

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