big question I have is there's no signs of any sort of active cooling, so i wonder how quickly it wi

big question I have is there's no signs of any sort of active cooling, so i wonder how quickly it will overheat and kill forces

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:12 PM

Don't think I've seen that in any other consumer throttle yet, unless WinWing did it with their F15 stuff

Aamadeus big question I have is there's no signs of any sort of active cooling, so i wond...

Xaero Zero•6/21/24, 8:26 PM

Moza wheelbases are very famous for overheating with early revisions

Xaero Zero•6/21/24, 8:27 PM

so i'm quite certain it will be the case here, and they usually release 2-3 revs. based on feedback half a year/ year later

Xaero Zero•6/21/24, 8:27 PM

what i really hope is answer from Big companies like Simucube, Simagic and Asetek

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:30 PM

Yeah I've no doubt that Moza's FFB base will be a spark that ignites some innovation/revolution in the flight sim market.

Virpil, VKB, and WinWing all playing checkers against each other slowly innovating and bringing out new things (granted, pandemic was tough on everyone so totally understandable places choose not to throw the resources and time required at making something like an FFB base), while Moza comes in playing 4D chess with their first line of products.

Very very smart of them to make it 3rd party grip compatible. Now all the Virpil and TM chads can use their existing grips. Others just need an adapter which already exists for other bases.

amadeusOP•6/21/24, 8:31 PM

yeah, great move to make it more compatible with stuff

amadeusOP•6/21/24, 8:31 PM

now we got VKB out there with the one unique connector

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:31 PM

I've not seen in depth look at their pedals yet, but the throttle and FFB base at least seem very innovative and are bringing new things to the market that aren't available elsewhere for consumers at scale.

amadeusOP•6/21/24, 8:31 PM

competition is great!

amadeusOP•6/21/24, 8:32 PM

also glad to see companies start to recognize the market

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:32 PM

The throttle has built in haptic vibration for flight speed, the FFB base is something no other brand has on the market for consumers except Brunner, and our GOAT walmis.

The pedals also look pretty decent. The grip is pretty solid looking too, similar to the F16EX grip from WinWing in that it has an expanded module of buttons at the top.

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:33 PM

Honestly couldn't ask for a better introduction product line into the flight sim market.

LastRonin•6/21/24, 8:34 PM

I mean at least airspeed would be easy to get telemetry from, but going to Rhino advantage, I'm not sure how the profiles per plane will be. Or, even if there will be just one haptic motor. Still an interesting feature especial for aerial refueling simulation.

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:39 PM

now all they need to do is let their ffb base also function as a shifter

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:40 PM

surely with the motors they could emulate shifting gears, for sequential and h pattern

amadeusOP•6/21/24, 8:40 PM

i would love like a virpil throttle with motors attached to the throttle levers

amadeusOP•6/21/24, 8:40 PM

both that could move (like in F14 autopilot) but also for things like configurable detents

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:41 PM

Yeah honestly I'm waiting for something innovative to upgrade to from my CM2

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:41 PM

hard to justify $300-400 on a new throttle that is just more of the same

amadeusOP•6/21/24, 8:41 PM

yeah, i have the CM3 and the screw in detents are nice for sure, but probably not worth upgrading if you have the CM2

amadeusOP•6/21/24, 8:42 PM

kind of a pain when i switch between modules tho xD

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:42 PM

Yeah, not to mention if I really want I could add those in myself DIY

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:42 PM

VKB's throttle detents are pretty cool, but still isn't enough to hook me

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:43 PM

motored/ffb throttle + haptic vibration for speed/AB however would get me interesting

nubbins•6/21/24, 8:48 PM

from the scant pictures to go off of

nubbins•6/21/24, 8:48 PM

moza throttle looks like nothing interesting

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:49 PM

only interesting thing is the built in haptic vibration for speed

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:49 PM

which is interesting

nubbins•6/21/24, 8:49 PM

if the throttle "levers", throttle connector and handles are all taken from winwing, i'd expect the throttle gimbal to be the exact same WW cast alu cube as well

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:49 PM

as in, no one else on consumer market has that afaik

nubbins•6/21/24, 8:49 PM

ergo, stiction galore until manual regrease

nubbins•6/21/24, 8:50 PM

winwing, autothrottle Taurus 2 when??

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 8:51 PM

so which brand everyone thinking we might see ffb from next?

Aamadeus both that could move (like in F14 autopilot) but also for things like configurab...

LastRonin•6/21/24, 8:56 PM

Whatever happened to that Super Taurus 2 video Winwing showed off a while ago that had auto-throttle. They showed it once then it faded into oblivion

JJon (Bounty_V)so which brand everyone thinking we might see ffb from next?

LastRonin•6/21/24, 8:58 PM

Given Thrustmaster already has force feedback products and came out with a modular base recently. I wouldn't be surprised if they had something in the works, or given the amount of interest sent a team of engineers after it. I doubt they'll announce it this year though.

Xaero Zero•6/21/24, 9:05 PM

did they hinted any pricing yet ?

LastRonin•6/21/24, 9:07 PM

I thought it's been longer than year but apparently not https://youtu.be/LkHi6TwoezQ?feature=shared&t=64

YouTubeWINWING

WINWING | Super Taurus | Discontinuation

Thanks to all of the aviators who have been supporting the Super Taurus.
We bring you the last batch of the Super Taurus Combo.
https://wwsimstore.com/view/goods-details.html?id=315
See you in the future.

Col. Sanders•6/21/24, 9:17 PM

Another ffb announced, from flitesim C172 yoke with combat stick and pedals to come.

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 9:21 PM

ffb yoke?

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 9:21 PM

https://tenor.com/view/toad-hype-overload-overload-gif-7868864

Tenor

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 9:22 PM

that'll be great for c130

Number481•6/21/24, 9:22 PM

Things people often don’t think about when they imagine some offshoot FFB device (aka throttle) is the difficulty in doing anything useful with it n software because the sim doesn’t know it’s FFB. If the axis is moving, the sim thinks the useris moving the axis. Probably doesn’t work too well if you manually make your current throttle match what the in game auto-throttle is doing. Accounting for that in software isn’t easy.

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 9:23 PM

id imagine similar story for pedals

NNumber481 Things people often don’t think about when they imagine some offshoot FFB device...

Col. Sanders•6/21/24, 9:24 PM

But you're telling me there's a chance?

CCol. Sanders But you're telling me there's a chance?

Number481•6/21/24, 9:24 PM

NNumber481 🤏

Col. Sanders•6/21/24, 9:26 PM

CCol. Sanders Another ffb announced, from flitesim C172 yoke with combat stick and pedals to c...

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 9:26 PM

I'm looking and looking, do you perhaps have a source I can reference for more info on the yoke?

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/21/24, 9:27 PM

https://flitesim.myshopify.com/products/cls-60-force-feedback-yoke-1 This is what I see so far (I've seen their stuff before)

Is it basically a newer version of this that was just announced?

FliteSim.com

CLS-60 Force Feedback Yoke

Estimated Shipping: 31 July 2024 (Or Earlier) The CLS-60, the World's First Affordable Modular Force Feedback (Control-Loading System (CLS)) Yoke for Flight Simulation Experience Unparalleled Realism in Flight Simulation - at an Affordable Price! The CLS-60 from FliteSim.com is the World’s first modular force feedback

Col. Sanders•6/21/24, 9:27 PM

https://stormbirds.blog/2024/06/21/fsexpo-day-one-live-updates/

StormbirdsShamrockOneFive

FSExpo Day One: Live updates

Alright folks! Here we go! We’re on site at The Rio Las Vegas for FlightSim Expo 2024 and it promises to be quite an action packed afternoon with a series of presentations from names both big…

Col. Sanders•6/21/24, 9:28 PM

Following on storm birds. Has some pictures of the slides.

big question I have is there's no signs of any sort of active cooling, so i wonder how quickly it wi

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