There's speculation, that they declared the 12nm peak as a combination of both motors , √ (9²+9²)=12
There's speculation, that they declared the 12nm peak as a combination of both motors , √ (9²+9²)=12,72 Nm 
DI have the rhino, so I know what I expect and so far only the rhino offers the best features for the price
DThats what I said
DWhen they said 9 initially, I was like 4.5 per motor
DDont expect an only profit driven company to be better than something solely dedicated to do one thing
DI said that to them at the expo 
DThen they said, this is only a prototype…
DThen I hear they starting to sell it soon
DImo its only like a gimmick to test the waters
DIt will je sort of ffb but not able to sustain it for longer periods and every youtub simmer will tell you how its the best thing a man ever created
H@Touch_Of_Legend Yeah, correct. They explicitly write that on their product page. It's the theoretical diagonal maximum. (minus the geometry effect of the twist of the gimbal core)
HThey still claim 9Nm peak per axis
MTrying to hide/delete comments always sucks, especially as you're only trying to offer your opinion ad feedback. Also, I didn't even consider handbrake, can't see that working
DThat’s the thing that annoys me. I want buyers to have the very best of factual information when they buy something and not be subject to marketing trickery.
DThis won’t stop me though, I will persist until I get all my answers
DThat aint gonna happen. They dont give a rats ass about anything except your money
Anot to totally defend moza here, but it's possible it was just an overzealous moderator that misinterpreted the communication. regardless of whether they make something as good as the rhino or not, it's in general great validation for brands to start getting into this market, it will drive competition and hopefully eventually drive prices down
Aimo we should be welcoming of all competition and nudging them gently to be better if we think they can be
WWell said
WI see Virpil has started to FOMO and announced FFB 
SEven more competition for walmis
Awhere?
A(honestly -- i was low key hoping they would just hire you :P)
WFacebook
WTruthfully, being a salaried employee is meh and I wouldn't want to work for them. Licencing would be more interesting.
Ayeah that's totally fair
Nfrom a company that is trying with non-committal marketing language to make it look like the entire product is "AVIATION-GRADE ALUMINUM CONSTRUCTION" lol
Nand promising "universal" compatibility with "all" third party grips and almost immediately walking that back
Ni want to like moza for their initiative here, but they're just increasingly looking like a second thrustmaster
DI hope this is all it was, and ill give them the benefit of the doubt
DWalmis brought FFB to life, he will bring more to life and we will see if these larger companies can keep up with a single person 
DI laughed when I saw that
DI was like, orly,… only rhino can truly claim this
DLets see what you come with.. oh, you backtracked.. lol
DI truly want them to succeed, but I dont want to be lied to or tricked into buying something and then finding out later it was a slimey sales tactic
DThey are a big company, they know all the tricks
Nmany excited vkb owners were piping up about vkb compatibility this past week 
fortunately for them, walmis is still here to save the day
fortunately for them, walmis is still here to save the dayDSame, though not as for them since I dont give a rats ass about them but that means that potentially I could jump places on the list for my Rhino
DYeah, I bought the vkb adapter, such a smart idea (connector)
JI give Moza benefit of the doubt because its their entry into the flight sim market, and their sim racing road to get to where they are today has been bumpy but without that perseverance and success they wouldn't be in a position to enter the flight sim market, and the reality is everyone who already knows stuff knows what will and won't work with it (at the very least from a basic will it connect without an adapter standpoint)
And I also suspect they didn't hire a flight sim expert to handle social media and answer questions about their flight sim products, and are using existing staff to handle that stuff, so some mistakes here and there are inevitable.
Regardless, time will tell, and it is only a matter of time, some 4-6 weeks for pre orders, til we see if they can walk the walk.
And I also suspect they didn't hire a flight sim expert to handle social media and answer questions about their flight sim products, and are using existing staff to handle that stuff, so some mistakes here and there are inevitable.
Regardless, time will tell, and it is only a matter of time, some 4-6 weeks for pre orders, til we see if they can walk the walk.
Pwould there be any benefit to using a physical H plate with the software stops too?
JOne thing that could be done for giggles is look at the kitbash ffb shifter, or the diy kit equivalent, and see what is used for those
Obviously the right tool for the job is preferred, but maybe an acceptable compromise on motor type to have something functional for both is possible
Obviously the right tool for the job is preferred, but maybe an acceptable compromise on motor type to have something functional for both is possible
V:package: 
RHINO #0603 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0603 Has Shipped!
WIt wouln't fit, there should be a narrow (~10mm) shaft that would fit the H plate
V:package: 
RHINO #0604 Has Shipped!
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AIt's good times if FOMO is directed at FFB
FThanks @walmis
TThis guy Rhino’s (or he will soon for sure) 
OI have considered all of them because I'm not very good at DIY. But Rhino seems best still.
AI have no idea which one is the best, but I'd be careful about preordering anything that hasn't been tested properly
AThe way manufacturers report their specifications seems to be a bit of a wild west at the moment and there are absolutely critical factors such as anti-cogging and heat management that can make or break the product