Also, latest drama pushed me further away. Now I'm using a version of Fedora Atomic, because it seem

Also, latest drama pushed me further away. Now I'm using a version of Fedora Atomic, because it seems I love having to use workarounds to do basic stuff, like setting a QMK dev environment

CCrono I really don't get the point of setting up a declarative system for one deployme...

halva•7/7/24, 7:08 PM

there's no practical merit on the desktop aside from being able to reconstruct the system if you do something incredibly stupid

halva•7/7/24, 7:09 PM

eg dd'ing your main drive

halva•7/7/24, 7:10 PM

but yeah honestly the only truly practical applications is either deploying a fuckton of machines without manual work, or CI style stuff

Crono•7/7/24, 7:11 PM

Why don't people just install Gentoo instead? lol

halva•7/7/24, 7:12 PM

because gentoo has all of the issues of regular distros with none of the benefits?

halva•7/7/24, 7:12 PM

Crono•7/7/24, 7:12 PM

But if the practical benefit is bragging rights

Sou SuzumiOP•7/7/24, 7:13 PM

I used to run Gentoo, many, many years ago. It seems it's a trend of me really liking using gimmicky stuff that has little to no benefit

Kero•7/7/24, 7:13 PM

Oh talking about declarative stuff, I trashed my distrobox the other day trying to install and get Docker working for Microsoft thing and ended learning about the .ini stuff
After a night fighting it because I was already dumbed down of working for a bunch of straight hours at that point, there's one thing I couldn't figure out...
The Distrobox is using Fedora and I can't add the Microsoft .repo on the ini file

Sou SuzumiOP•7/7/24, 7:13 PM

Leaving the PC running all night to compile a browser is really fun

CCrono But if the practical benefit is bragging rights

halva•7/7/24, 7:13 PM

i mean if that's the goal then sure

SSou Suzumi Also, latest drama pushed me further away. Now I'm using a version of Fedora Ato...

Kero•7/7/24, 7:14 PM

Same here hah

KKero Oh talking about declarative stuff, I trashed my distrobox the other day trying ...

Sou SuzumiOP•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

Yeah, I was wondering here, I think I'll need to run Docker, and was thinking on how to best approach it. So the better solution is to use distrobox and install docker inside it, right?

CCrono For a bunch of systems it's extremely cool, but for desktop?

Zeglius•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

Nixos manages to solve an issue that many distros have. And that is dependency hell

Sou SuzumiOP•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

A container inside a container

Sou SuzumiOP•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

Containerception

Hhalva there's no practical merit on the desktop aside from being able to reconstruct t...

j0rge•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

people have been doing this for years, for some reason new nix users think that you have to use nix to do this, which is weird.

SSou Suzumi Also, latest drama pushed me further away. Now I'm using a version of Fedora Ato...

Kasher_CS•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

iirc I set up QMK without any problem

j0rge•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

My desktop comes up the exact way I want on install every time, I'm not using nix.

SSou Suzumi Yeah, I was wondering here, I think I'll need to run Docker, and was thinking on...

Kero•7/7/24, 7:15 PM

I don't know I ended up layering it with ostree

Jj0rge people have been doing this for years, for some reason new nix users think that ...

halva•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

true but like
i don't like ansible and other stuff lmao

Kasher_CS•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

Just in a distrobox, I had no problem

halva•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

mostly because i can't even install it here without hoops

Hhalva true but like i don't like ansible and other stuff lmao

j0rge•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

don't like it either, that's why we built on bash and python instead of ansible, if ublue was built on ansible then that'd be cool, but no one would contribute

KKasher_CS iirc I set up QMK without any problem

Sou SuzumiOP•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

I tried installing and setting it up through pip but got rekt by the dependencies, probably because it can´t deal with ostree shenanigans

Kero•7/7/24, 7:16 PM

I couldn't get it working through containerception lol

KKero I couldn't get it working through containerception lol

j0rge•7/7/24, 7:17 PM

if you're doing a bunch of that stuff it might make sense to just make your own container image

Kero•7/7/24, 7:17 PM

The issue was the systemd service having an error

SSou Suzumi I tried installing and setting it up through pip but got rekt by the dependencie...

Kasher_CS•7/7/24, 7:17 PM

Ah, makes sense than

Zeglius•7/7/24, 7:17 PM

Systemd?

KKero I couldn't get it working through containerception lol

Crono•7/7/24, 7:17 PM

I read contraception, had to double take

Kasher_CS•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

I think I set it up through pip as well, just, through an F40 distrobox

Sou SuzumiOP•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

So I was thinking of using the docker thing, but then I don´t have docker. I´d need to either layer it (which is not recommended) or do some weird stuff like containerception

Zeglius•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

I think I had the same issue, had to add the --additional-packages systemd--additional-packages systemd

Kasher_CS•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

Oh you don't have it set up yet, in that case, distrobox works

Jj0rge don't like it either, that's why we built on bash and python instead of ansible,...

halva•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

eh, preferences

im not doing anything serious anyway

j0rge•7/7/24, 7:18 PM

I always just steal what someone else is doing

halva•7/7/24, 7:19 PM

nix is pretty much a hobby with a possibility of it being a marketable skill for me

Sou SuzumiOP•7/7/24, 7:19 PM

As I mentioned, it's the manly urge of using weird distros that require obtuse workarounds to do things that you can do with a single command in other distros

Sou SuzumiOP•7/7/24, 7:19 PM

For little to no benefit

ZZeglius I think I had the same issue, had to add the `--additional-packages systemd`

Kero•7/7/24, 7:19 PM

Yeah I'm using the conf files instead which worked if I added root I think
The thing was VSCode not being able to communicate with Docker

halva•7/7/24, 7:19 PM

like it's just fun doing weird things

Kero•7/7/24, 7:20 PM

Yeah it's just fun and you have the pretext of it being more stable hah

Sou SuzumiOP•7/7/24, 7:21 PM

Honestly, it doesn't really work even for bragging rights. People just call me a nerd and move on. No one is impressed that I spent 20+ hours setting up my system

Zeglius•7/7/24, 7:21 PM

There is also this https://github.com/lima-vm/lima
Basically run docker/podman inside a vm

GitHub

GitHub - lima-vm/lima: Linux virtual machines, with a focus on runn...

Linux virtual machines, with a focus on running containers - lima-vm/lima

Jj0rge if you're doing a bunch of that stuff it might make sense to just make your own ...

Kero•7/7/24, 7:21 PM

About that yeah I figured it is probably the way to go in my case, unless I missed something with the Distrobox

Zeglius•7/7/24, 7:21 PM

And can be installed with brew

ZZeglius There is also this https://github.com/lima-vm/lima Basically run docker/podman i...

tulip•7/7/24, 7:21 PM

docker-machine also works for that doesnt it?

Zeglius•7/7/24, 7:22 PM

Probably, but you would need to have docker layered?

SSou Suzumi Honestly, it doesn't really work even for bragging rights. People just call me a...

halva•7/7/24, 7:22 PM

you're just talking to the wrong people, gotta find a nix cult cell, they'll be impressed /lh

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