VPrhino vs moza vs winwing FFB base? thoughts
VPrhino vs moza vs winwing FFB base? thoughts
BThe latter two would likely be more plug and play, and easier to get.
The rhino will be more customisable, and feature more odd case software features sinply because of its open source nature and generally impressive speed and quality of the telemffb guys.
Any support issues from winwing and moza, well.
That would be the same as with those already.
Your usual CE support headache.
With the rhino we could most likely just fix it.
The rhino will be more customisable, and feature more odd case software features sinply because of its open source nature and generally impressive speed and quality of the telemffb guys.
Any support issues from winwing and moza, well.
That would be the same as with those already.
Your usual CE support headache.
With the rhino we could most likely just fix it.
TNot just most likely..
With the Rhino anything can be fixed.
(We build them and they can be retrofitted with 3d prints)
With the Rhino anything can be fixed.
(We build them and they can be retrofitted with 3d prints)
TWith any other company you’ll be dealing with standard customer service (which is good and bad at the same time).
Emails that say… check the plugs and turn it off and on again.
Emails that say… check the plugs and turn it off and on again.
TThe rhino is fully supported by a community..
Walmis isn’t here to help.
Tons of others step right up
Walmis isn’t here to help.
Tons of others step right up
TAs far as what you feel…
That’s always going to be software dependent (as well as what the games themselves do)
So far just honestly speaking the Rhino software is king over the current group (Brunner and beast) and I don’t expect the others to be better… software wise Winwing is usually a hard sell and who knows what Moza software will be like…
So yeah that’s the main key imho
That’s always going to be software dependent (as well as what the games themselves do)
So far just honestly speaking the Rhino software is king over the current group (Brunner and beast) and I don’t expect the others to be better… software wise Winwing is usually a hard sell and who knows what Moza software will be like…
So yeah that’s the main key imho
NNot spoken here but IMHO VP Rhino will be much better supported in software and options and for general realism of feel.
Moza and WinWing are going to be a while getting the software right especially WW. Customer support as mentioned above well WW support sucks your basically talking to a guy in China for a few weeks, it's certainly not a quick return and replace issue with WW. Moza customer support will be same as most western companies and easier to replace or get issues sorted.
Customer support here on VP from what I have seen seems to be the best offered.
TLDR to get the best FFB option available for sub $1000 get the VP Rhino but it's going to take a while to get to the top of the order Queue!
Moza and WinWing are going to be a while getting the software right especially WW. Customer support as mentioned above well WW support sucks your basically talking to a guy in China for a few weeks, it's certainly not a quick return and replace issue with WW. Moza customer support will be same as most western companies and easier to replace or get issues sorted.
Customer support here on VP from what I have seen seems to be the best offered.
TLDR to get the best FFB option available for sub $1000 get the VP Rhino but it's going to take a while to get to the top of the order Queue!
TYep this is true.
Good things come to those who wait.
Also it’s free to sign up on the list so I encourage people to get on the list and drop out if they choose a competitor.
Point is you CANT choose a rhino you must DIY or you must wait.
So sign up now and if you go a new direction just drop off
Good things come to those who wait.
Also it’s free to sign up on the list so I encourage people to get on the list and drop out if they choose a competitor.
Point is you CANT choose a rhino you must DIY or you must wait.
So sign up now and if you go a new direction just drop off
TI also think it’s important to check on large purchases so by signing up and hanging out in the discord you can get a first hand look at how things work.
I’m also on the other discords and that’s what drove me toward the Rhino was watching the community for awhile
I’m also on the other discords and that’s what drove me toward the Rhino was watching the community for awhile
NJust under 300 to go till mine is ready! Can't wait!
TNothing wrong with any of the other FFB discords and companies.
But it’s something RIGHT about the Rhino and this community of enthusiast and flight people..
I saw flight people because easily 50% of the Rhino community are former or current pilots so we know what “in flight inertia” feels like and we know what stick pressures exist in real life and, for the chopper guys they know what the trim “should” be like.
So the Rhino just felt like home to me personally
But it’s something RIGHT about the Rhino and this community of enthusiast and flight people..
I saw flight people because easily 50% of the Rhino community are former or current pilots so we know what “in flight inertia” feels like and we know what stick pressures exist in real life and, for the chopper guys they know what the trim “should” be like.
So the Rhino just felt like home to me personally
TI’m glad there are some other companies coming into the game but for me I want to see a $200 FFB stick along the lines of the old windows sticks.
Something cheap for entry level folks… No it won’t be strong but it would push ALL games and devs to work on FFB within the modules themselves which would be a massive boon to anyone running more powerful motors.
The best thing for us is to wake the devs and the games up and to have them put FFB as a major dev priority.
Games like IL2 or MSFS would be pushed to take FFB serious again and the entry level sticks would shake up the game!
It would be like 1997 all over again
Something cheap for entry level folks… No it won’t be strong but it would push ALL games and devs to work on FFB within the modules themselves which would be a massive boon to anyone running more powerful motors.
The best thing for us is to wake the devs and the games up and to have them put FFB as a major dev priority.
Games like IL2 or MSFS would be pushed to take FFB serious again and the entry level sticks would shake up the game!
It would be like 1997 all over again
TSo these new sticks are nice but they are really still in the high end market ($500-$600 for a stick is targeting high end prices)
We as a community need them to go for that entry level money
(Which is way way way more money btw.. but also takes global scale production.. like Microsoft did back in the days)
We as a community need them to go for that entry level money
(Which is way way way more money btw.. but also takes global scale production.. like Microsoft did back in the days)
Ahave there been any reviews or such on the moza or WW bases?
AI don't know if anyone has even properly tested one yet, very hard to make meaningful comparisons
BJabbers has the moza base, not heard of anything in regards to the ww it could release next week or next year 
BMaybe they give it to the grim reapers or some star citizen bro. Even money I guess.
Aare there reviews or other tests available already?
BThere's a preview but it's from some kid who clearly never touched anything like it before.
JI've seen footage of someone using a Moza, that was released during FSE 2024, but considering when pre orders went live it was expressed some 4-6 week wait on delivery so will be some time before people having to buy their own units can put out reviews
Fpretty sure the early testers had to wait for the first software update to review the Moza which is why there aren't too many yet. the WW base is far out.
OHey guys, if im preordering the rhino and want to go with a stronger motor like an 86bl instead of the 57bl that it comes with, would I specify that in the order or would I need to buy them separately and install them?
BIt would be an entire new diy project.
The case and parts with the 'regular' rhino does not fit larger motors.
The case and parts with the 'regular' rhino does not fit larger motors.
OOhh gotcha
BIn quite ok with it not being any more powerful.
Certainly was when the stick snapped back and whacked me in the nuts..
Certainly was when the stick snapped back and whacked me in the nuts..
Jdoes anyone know approximately what number on the Rhino waiting list triggers the request for payment?
OYeah I think it will be fine, was just wondering if it would be something I could modify or change in the future. How comparable would the max resistance be to a warthog stick
WNot really 
check the size difference:
check the size difference:
JFor my rhino it was something like 4 to go? Was all manual via DM by walmis to confirm final things, then he sent an invoice
JBut I'm in the first 100, so idk what has changed in the last 530+
BI got an email and bot message about placing my actual order, fired that off through the regular form.
Payment notice then came shortly after, which I promptly did and I got shipping notification that day.
Think i went from initial notice through payment and receiving shipping notice all in span of like 3-4 hours.
It's been like 300 more since then though.
Payment notice then came shortly after, which I promptly did and I got shipping notification that day.
Think i went from initial notice through payment and receiving shipping notice all in span of like 3-4 hours.
It's been like 300 more since then though.
BExactly which unit shipped that comes with I'm not certain.
Looking back over the chat log with the bot I had 39 units ahead of me and just bam.
Looking back over the chat log with the bot I had 39 units ahead of me and just bam.
BIm certain it didnt hurt i was quick to act 
ROut for delivery! It's going to be a fun weekend
FSo 50%-70% ABS for pulley supports (say 5mm thick)...yea or nay?
GI don't usually enjoy seeing someone else in pain for no reason, but the presentation on that one is just chef's kiss
Dhey guys what does it means when the motor is constantly blinking green?
BAlmost linked that myself 
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.TThat’s the Rhino hitting its human interface “emergency stop” button 
TYou don’t just push the Rhino’s buttons.. If you’re not careful she will push yours!!
FI've found a good resource for making 5mm HTD profile pulleys - it uses the MKCad Library for OnShape. https://appstore.onshape.com/apps/Manufacturers%20Models/2ZT7X5D646R3LM3ZND7LGBTYRVM4SVH6CDDGM6I=/description
With Onshape's App Store, modern CAD users can choose to add specialty engineering software such as simulation, CAM, or rendering to their cloud workspace
FYou can specify all the parameters you need and you can export the model to anything you like. I output to SolidWorks, then load it into Fusion 360 for special features like bearing pockets.
FHere's a screen shot of the 15 tooth idler pulley design I'm going to print shortly:
FMy modifications to that look like this (Fusion):
HWhat do you want to drive with the printed pulley?
FThe above is an idler. I'm using a 74 tooth pulley as the main drive output. The complete system looks like this:
HSo it isn’t intended to go on the motor shaft…
I was worried for a second - not following the conversation from the beginning….
I was worried for a second - not following the conversation from the beginning….FNo. The motor shaft has a machined aluminum 15 tooth pulley on it.
FThe motor to pulley belt is 15mm, the pulley to flight controls belt is 12mm. The two idlers in the upper left attach to existing structure that's too narrow to pass a 15mm belt.
TThere were like 100 to go when I got my “action required” email. That was just a few weeks ago. It moved so fast after that and I got it earlier this week. It caught me off guard since I also needed to order a mounting plate from SimFab. But happy to report I got it installed today and first flight in DCS Apache was awesome.