I have a slightly more philosophical question, since everything I've tried so far has mostly just wo

I have a slightly more philosophical question, since everything I've tried so far has mostly just worked. How are people managing machine configs long term, especially across updates? I've been using NixOS on my home lab servers for a while, and now every time I manually edit something on my new Bazzite gaming machine, a little part of my soul dies. It's only been a week and I already feel like I couldn't get back to the exact same state again if I reinstalled.

QQuantumOGRE I have a slightly more philosophical question, since everything I've tried so fa...

asen23•7/21/24, 5:20 AM

chezmoi work pretty good for me, also usually update unless major wont break config right?

QuantumOGREOP•7/21/24, 5:25 AM

I'm still using home-manager and nix to manage my personal home environment, but I meant system level things. Everything from hostname, to sshd and tailscale configs, automounts for my NAS shares, etc. All those little things you slowly build up over time. With NixOS, all that's described in a (set of) config file(s) that's built into a system, and the only way to "apply" it is to build a new generation and switch to it, so you inherently have a full description of what changes exist from the system defaults.

QQuantumOGRE I'm still using home-manager and nix to manage my personal home environment, but...

asen23•7/21/24, 5:30 AM

for that you can create your own custom image i think?

asen23•7/21/24, 5:31 AM

you can just base it off bazzite and add things you need like package, configs, service, and such

QuantumOGREOP•7/21/24, 5:35 AM

Would that be something that can sit atop the standard Bazzite just updatejust update or whatever, or would you need to rebuild your image every time you wanted the latest Bazzite updates?

QQuantumOGRE Would that be something that can sit atop the standard Bazzite `just update` or ...

Kyle Gospo•7/21/24, 5:35 AM

if you fork you need to pull our changes

Kyle Gospo•7/21/24, 5:36 AM

if you make an image FROM then every time it builds (shcheduled in github) your changes are applied on top of our latest

Kyle Gospo•7/21/24, 5:36 AM

https://bazzite.gg/#diy

Bazzite - The next generation of Linux gaming

Bazzite is a custom image built upon Fedora Atomic Desktops that brings the best of Linux gaming to all of your devices - including your favorite handheld.

QuantumOGREOP•7/21/24, 5:39 AM

Hrm. That's not quite the sort of workflow I was envisioning, but it might work. I'd have to use standard shell scripting or some other similar tool in the context of the Containerfile to put the various changes in place. I suppose what I was looking for was a ublue/bazzite sort of equivalent to Arch's aconfmgr.

QQuantumOGRE Hrm. That's not quite the sort of workflow I was envisioning, but it might wor...

asen23•7/21/24, 5:43 AM

if you dont like using containerfile directly you can use bluebuild and have your config almost declaratively

QuantumOGREOP•7/21/24, 5:47 AM

Oh, it wasn't really a problem with containerfiles. It's just the suggestion solves the problem at a different level than I had originally thought about approaching it. I was thinking of a tool that I would run on top of an existing Bazzite build to ensure that the things I wanted configured. A bazzite-aware Ansible role or as I mentioned, aconfmgr for ublue-based distros, or similar. I hadn't thought of making the image itself custom.

asen23•7/21/24, 5:49 AM

custom image in atomic/immutable distro are kinda equivalent to aconfmgr i think? because the normal distro way and atomic distro way are kinda different

asen23•7/21/24, 5:50 AM

mostly because not even sudo can write to some directory

QuantumOGREOP•7/21/24, 5:52 AM

Yeah. That's why I asked the initial question. It's different from the other sorts of systems I've administered in the past, so it feels like a lot of my normal tools for solving the problem aren't appropriate.

asen23•7/21/24, 5:53 AM

although maybe it is possible to have something like that if you dont need to touch stuff like /usr

Gerblesh•7/21/24, 5:55 AM

is anyone else not able to get to the desktop on bazzite KDE?

QuantumOGREOP•7/21/24, 5:55 AM

Thus far it's not been anything like that. Mostly things in etc; configuration of already installed services like sshd and tailscale, adding and enabling systemd units for things like automounts, etc.

Max•7/21/24, 5:56 AM

Was using it for Jellyfin earlier everything worked for me as normal

Gerblesh•7/21/24, 5:56 AM

I'm thinking of just reinstalling but I can't get to the KDE desktop

GGerblesh is anyone else not able to get to the desktop on bazzite KDE?

asen23•7/21/24, 6:03 AM

im using bazzite kde rn, nothing weird for my system

Aasen23 im using bazzite kde rn, nothing weird for my system

Gerblesh•7/21/24, 6:07 AM

yeah not entirely sure what's going on here

_tnr•7/21/24, 7:29 AM

Hey there, not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask but I was messing with GPU settings, applied them, and got a black screen. No big deal, rebooted, still black screened. Did some reading and saw people suggest ctrl+alt+f2. That worked for me to get my display back. Problem now is that it does this each time the PC reboots. Was hoping someone here had some insight as to what I could do to fix it. Relatively new to Linux

Kasher_CS•7/21/24, 7:32 AM

Nvidia?

_tnr•7/21/24, 7:34 AM

AMD

Ccutiebella_pillow Out of curiosity, is anyone facing issue on Steam Deck with manual GPU clock set...

Techz•7/21/24, 8:15 AM

Getting this as well

cutiebella_pillow•7/21/24, 8:15 AM

Are you on newest update?

Techz•7/21/24, 8:16 AM

Yep fresh install as well

cutiebella_pillow•7/21/24, 8:16 AM

I kept checking after each update and one of them fixed it and i haven't updated it since

Techz•7/21/24, 8:16 AM

Might switch stable to beta

cutiebella_pillow•7/21/24, 8:16 AM

should prob pin this update

cutiebella_pillow•7/21/24, 8:17 AM

Oh also I am in Steam Beta for the Steam Families

Techz•7/21/24, 8:19 AM

Ah that’s prob it I’ll give it ago now

cutiebella_pillow•7/21/24, 8:20 AM

Also curious if decky loader has an update, i miss the plugins

Techz•7/21/24, 8:23 AM

Ah I’ve heard somewhere that you could install preview decky builds that work with steam beta

Techz•7/21/24, 8:24 AM

🎮bazzite

cutiebella_pillow•7/21/24, 8:25 AM

I have it, just googled and realized need to switch to steam stable to switch to decky prerelease and then swtich to steam beta

Techz•7/21/24, 8:25 AM

Or yeah do it within decky haha

Techz•7/21/24, 8:32 AM

Yep that sorted the issue

cosmolotov•7/21/24, 8:39 AM

Anybody else getting a black screen when they login after boot with multiple monitors attached? Login screen shows just fine but after logging in I get a completely black screen until I manually disconnect one of my monitors. Plasmashell shows a segfault issue in the crash log.

SoftwareSlicer•7/21/24, 8:45 AM

Good evening guys, So I've run into a weird issue when importing my steam libraries, etc.
Basically I have three drives, My 240 gig sata ssd for bazzite. A 2tb nvme for windows 11, and a 5tb external hard drive for media and larger games. The latter two are ntfs while the sata ssd is butterfs. I did read the documentation and I understand that importing ntfs game libraries is a bad idea bc incompatibility but maybe this is a good example of why specifically?
For some reason my copy of Proton 9.0 installed on my external hard disk and it's stuck asking for it to be updated. When I try that, It mentions that there is a disk write error and that proton is using zero bytes in the game folder. I also can't uninstall it or move it elsewhere?
I've also tried switching proton versions in the steam compatibility settings menu with no dice since it's still relying on the 9.0 version to some extent.

Kasher_CS•7/21/24, 9:06 AM

Check if its mounted read only, sometimes Linux mounts Windows drives read only

SSoftwareSlicer Good evening guys, So I've run into a weird issue when importing my steam librar...

wolfyreload•7/21/24, 9:24 AM

iirc proton tries to mount folders like z:/ and c:/ when it's starting up the game, when you using ntfs, the colon character is an illegal character in ntfs, so you have to do a bunch of hacks to get proton to work correctly with ntfs. Just in general Ntfs and Linux don't worked that well together. So while it's definately possible to use ntfs for your games it's more of a hassle than what it's worth imo.

Crono•7/21/24, 10:08 AM

Steam Beta broke Protontricks

TTeamLinux01 It's funny, back about 12 years ago, they were the best experience because their...

Kamquat•7/21/24, 10:32 AM

Nah Intel was fine back then, kernel+mesa. go.

Kamquat•7/21/24, 10:44 AM

AMD was still wonky cause iirc AMD's open source driver didn't come out until like 2015.

SSoftwareSlicer Good evening guys, So I've run into a weird issue when importing my steam librar...

Games Joyce•7/21/24, 10:47 AM

I could never get games to run if reading them from a Windows partition. It was a huge headache and I think the only game that ever worked was something Valve developed like Dota 2. You really do just need to bite the bullet and have all your games on linux-native partitions - sorry

Games Joyce•7/21/24, 10:48 AM

The silver lining is you should be able to copy the data over from your windows partitions to linux ones, and it'll all survive the move just fine

Games Joyce•7/21/24, 10:48 AM

so you shouldn't need to redownload

KKamquat AMD was still wonky cause iirc AMD's open source driver didn't come out until li...

halva•7/21/24, 11:59 AM

radeon was utter garbage tbh

halva•7/21/24, 11:59 AM

catalyst drivers are absolutely the biggest piece of dogshit there has ever been

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