Looks like the VFX grip (maybe new grip revision?) has indeed larger register than 16bits for twist

Looks like the VFX grip (maybe new grip revision?) has indeed larger register than 16bits for twist axis. Could you enable the

Generic grip (debug)

Generic grip (debug)

Generic grip (debug)

Generic grip (debug) and record the debug tab activity like you did with the raw value, I'll implement this

Hhexpod You could first detach the motor in order to see if once powered the shaft moves...

nubbins•7/23/24, 8:51 AM

seems to, but there's also no way I can possibly turn it the full amount by hand, when it's at normal spring force

nubbins•7/23/24, 8:52 AM

and the grindiness mostly happens at the extremes

nubbins•7/23/24, 8:53 AM

I did have a mini aha moment, in that I realized that sometimes I am recalibrating incorrectly (and treating the throw limiter range as full range), so maybe increased force over a smaller area exacerbates it

nubbins•7/23/24, 8:53 AM

but proper calibration doesn't make the issue ever go away, so I'm afraid I haven't really gone anywhere on this issue despite giving it the parts cannon treatment

hexpod•7/23/24, 9:11 AM

It doesn’t looks like cogging torque

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogging_torque

Cogging torque

Cogging torque of electrical motors is the torque due to the interaction between the permanent magnets of the rotor and the stator slots of a permanent magnet machine. It is also known as detent or no-current torque. This torque is position dependent and its periodicity per revolution depends on the number of magnetic poles and the number of tee...

Mmattback well the good news is that once i get rudder pedals, i don't have to worry about...

Touch_Of_Legend•7/23/24, 9:44 AM

You can also DIY rudder pedals

Touch_Of_Legend•7/23/24, 9:44 AM

This is the F16 set based on the crosswinds

No you can’t add FFB to 3d printed pedals.

frumpy•7/23/24, 9:46 AM

After 2 months with the Rhino, I am still confused about many settings. I am using MSFS, X-Plane and DCS with helis and planes. I am looking for configuration files for certain aircraft, which proved to be "realistic". I saw them somewhere, but cannot find them anymore. Where can I find them?

Ffrumpy After 2 months with the Rhino, I am still confused about many settings. I am usi...

Touch_Of_Legend•7/23/24, 9:47 AM

There is a section for sharing profiles on the discord

Touch_Of_Legend•7/23/24, 9:48 AM

It’s under “knowledge base”

frumpy•7/23/24, 9:49 AM

I found it. Thank you!

frumpy•7/23/24, 11:39 AM

One other thing I noted when flying: The periodic effects seem to change every 10 seconds. The heli goes brrrrrmmmmmmm... (feels good!) and after 10 seconds drrtdrrtdrrtdrrt (feels strange!) for 10 seconds and then back to brrrrrrmmmmmmmm... and so on. This also happens to other aircraft. Can I change this somewhere?

Ffrumpy One other thing I noted when flying: The periodic effects seem to change every 1...

Hiob•7/23/24, 11:57 AM

Are you using TelemFFB? If so, try to reduce the gain for rotor and/or engine rumble. Other than the gain (and for some effects the frequency) there is not much you can do.

HHiob Are you using TelemFFB? If so, try to reduce the gain for rotor and/or engine ru...

frumpy•7/23/24, 12:08 PM

You mean the maximum force? The frequency isn't changed by changing this setting. Perhaps I can do changes to the expert settings, but I don't know which one.

Ffrumpy You mean the maximum force? The frequency isn't changed by changing this setting...

Hiob•7/23/24, 12:10 PM

You haven't quites answered my question. Are you using TelemFFB? Because just with the VP configurator you can't do anything about it.

HHiob You haven't quites answered my question. Are you using TelemFFB? Because just wi...

frumpy•7/23/24, 12:15 PM

Yes, I am using TeleFFB. Do you mean the periodic effects slider?

Ffrumpy One other thing I noted when flying: The periodic effects seem to change every 1...

Number481•7/23/24, 12:22 PM

While each effect can be individually adjusted in TelemFFB, all of the default effects settings are developed with the periodic effects slider set at %50... If your slider is higher, most of the effects will feel too strong.

The "jet engine" effect which plays in tandem with the rotor rumble is actually a stack of 4 separate effects with slightly offset and ever changing phases, this is what results in the random warbling vs a static hum that you get with many base shaker type effects.

I never really notice it with the default settings because it is only a undertone to the more prevalent rotor rumble.. but if you turn the gain up, you can feel when the phases overlap in an odd way occasionally.

I'll look to see if I can extend the period at which the phase offset changes to reduce the abrupt nature of the change

NNumber481 While each effect can be individually adjusted in TelemFFB, all of the default e...

frumpy•7/23/24, 12:33 PM

I put periodic effects and rotor rumble to 50% in a heli. It's still quite noticeable. Let me know if you need me to provide debug data. I tried to record the sound with my smartphone, but had no luck so far due to the low frequency.

NNumber481 While each effect can be individually adjusted in TelemFFB, all of the default e...

Hiob•7/23/24, 12:41 PM

I'm certainly not intending to criticise your work - but do you think that offset periodic effects are a good idea? An offset will inevitable lead to up and down swelling resonances, which - at least for me - are quite annoying. This is why I tend to reduce the gain on those effects to almost zero.

Number481•7/23/24, 12:42 PM

no need. It happens for the reason I explained.. sometimes the phases align in a constructive way that amplifies the effect. There are no user controls to change the phases. You can adjust the master frequency of the effect, but that will just change the primary frequency of the effect (default is 45hz I believe).

Like I said, I'll see if I can tame down the transitions.

HHiob I'm certainly not intending to criticise your work - but do you think that offse...

Number481•7/23/24, 1:14 PM

Personally I find holding on to a single frequency vibrator far more annoying than something which constantly oscillates and occasionally produces undesirable combinations of frequencies. But I will look to see if I can tone down the phasing a little.

Number481•7/23/24, 1:14 PM

I agree it is currently too abrupt and frequent

NNumber481 Personally I find holding on to a single frequency vibrator far more annoying th...

Hiob•7/23/24, 1:14 PM

I know - It's a difficult edge to balance. But you catch my drift I assume.

Hiob•7/23/24, 1:16 PM

(Also the source of the "vibrations" in real aircrafts is kind of constant - regardless of how annoying it might be.....

)

mattback•7/23/24, 1:28 PM

mattback•7/23/24, 1:29 PM

@walmis thank you, is this what you requested

NNumber481 no need. It happens for the reason I explained.. sometimes the phases align in ...

hexpod•7/23/24, 1:37 PM

How about random noise ?

mattback•7/23/24, 1:42 PM

random noise is typically investigated as something is causing it

Hiob•7/23/24, 1:51 PM

I think, what he was suggesting is - instead of a fixed offset for the overlapping frequecies (which INEVITABLE leads to regular up and down-swelling resonances) try to make the offset somehow variable and random. I have no idea if that can be achieved, but it could be appropriate to reduce the problem.

Mmattback random noise is typically investigated as something is causing it

hexpod•7/23/24, 2:07 PM

Maybe one could just code a random behavior by defining the frequency and amplitude boundaries.

hexpod•7/23/24, 2:22 PM

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14058340/adding-noise-to-a-signal-in-python

Stack Overflow

adding noise to a signal in python

I want to add some random noise to some 100 bin signal that I am simulating in Python - to make it more realistic.

On a basic level, my first thought was to go bin by bin and just generate a random

Arew•7/23/24, 3:08 PM

Has anyone else had issues with the Rhino and the F-14B where the Rhino all of a sudden will have uncontrolled left input by itself? It's pretty significant and I usually have to reslot to get rid of it. Has happened in all sorts of regimes, on Saturday it occured while climbing to altitude from the boat, and last night while lifting back off from a touch and go on CVN-71

AArew Has anyone else had issues with the Rhino and the F-14B where the Rhino all of a...

Hiob•7/23/24, 3:12 PM

Do you have applied any curves in the VP configurtor?

Hiob•7/23/24, 3:14 PM

Because, for me with certain curves and aircraft, the VP config goes nuts sometimes (messes up the curve for some reason).

AArew Has anyone else had issues with the Rhino and the F-14B where the Rhino all of a...

TheAmazinGreat•7/23/24, 3:17 PM

Is it similar to this issue? 🧰support

HHiob Do you have applied any curves in the VP configurtor?

Arew•7/23/24, 3:20 PM

I dont think i've ever touched them

TTheAmazinGreat Is it similar to this issue? https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/968...

Arew•7/23/24, 3:21 PM

Seems similar, but right trim doesn't fix it and it doesn't correct itself

Mmattback random noise is typically investigated as something is causing it

hexpod•7/23/24, 4:01 PM

hexpod•7/23/24, 4:01 PM

This could maybe give some ideas

flowtex•7/23/24, 4:18 PM

I’m a brand new and (so far) happy Rhino owner. I’ve browsed read the official Rhino manual and read various threads here on the Discord server and I think I have most things set up the way I want. I play only DCS and mostly fly the Apache. One thing I’m still unsure about is curvature, saturation, and dead zone of the “control output” (not the ffb itself). From what I can gather here on the forum, I’m not supposed to set any of those in DCS as they will interfere with the trim of the Apache. On the other hand I can’t find any way to adjust saturation, curvature, or dead zone in neither the VPforce Configurator nor the TelemFFB software. Is it correctly understood that there is no way of adjusting those, or have I simply missed something obvious?

RoboGeoff•7/23/24, 4:21 PM

I would like to know too!

RoboGeoff•7/23/24, 4:22 PM

Do people have different VPForce Configurator settings for different aircraft?

AArew Has anyone else had issues with the Rhino and the F-14B where the Rhino all of a...

mattback•7/23/24, 4:53 PM

did you break a flap ?

Mmattback did you break a flap ?

Arew•7/23/24, 4:55 PM

mattback•7/23/24, 4:56 PM

ok because in both situations are you describing things that can happen when a flap gets stuck after takeoff / wave off / touch and go on the turkey without retracting them soon enough

Arew•7/23/24, 4:56 PM

touch and go and wave off you never retract them, but a broken flap shouldn't give untrimmable full left stick either way

mattback•7/23/24, 4:57 PM

well i dont know what you were climbing to or where in the pattern you were going but i understand

Arew•7/23/24, 4:57 PM

for both of those you climb to 600 ft along brc once past the landing area and proceed downwind on interval

mattback•7/23/24, 5:03 PM

ok, i have no idea then

mattback•7/23/24, 5:04 PM

someone will know

Looks like the VFX grip (maybe new grip revision?) has indeed larger register than 16bits for twist

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