this is what a Framework 16 w/ Radeon GPU would cost me in my currency. I paid $917 for similar perf

this is what a Framework 16 w/ Radeon GPU would cost me in my currency. I paid $917 for similar performance prebuilt (on sale but still)

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:24 PM

oops large image sorry

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:24 PM

and that's before 13% sales tax

AAru and a threadripper

matt_schwartz•8/1/24, 9:26 PM

Honestly already paying off, I spend half as much time on kernel bisects and builds as I used to

matt_schwartz•8/1/24, 9:27 PM

I’m going to throw together a kernel patch for my own testing with some ODM/MPO reverts and see if there are any downsides to it

AAru but yeah, i think gaming laptops will become more niche due to PC handhelds and ...

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:27 PM

The only reason I can see this possibly not happening is just because of the laptop vs desktop market share changes over the last years. Desktop share is way down.

Cutty Sark•8/1/24, 9:34 PM

deployment starting..... taking forever, you think its broke?

CCutty Sark deployment starting..... taking forever, you think its broke?

Kyle Gospo•8/1/24, 9:34 PM

KKamquat The only reason I can see this possibly not happening is just because of the lap...

Aru•8/1/24, 9:35 PM

desktops have already been dying in general, laptops were the main moneymaker for x86 consumer devices
I just think that gaming laptops will become even more niche because most people don't care for having a battery destroying dGPU.

AMD's APUs are increasingly becoming "good enough" for most casual users. Same for Intel APUs.

Akanar•8/1/24, 9:36 PM

I used ujust _restore-original-terminalujust _restore-original-terminal to unhide konsole. Now that I know you can edit transparency of ptyxis how do I rehide konsole?

SSMNFXCN https://www.notebookcheck.net/System76-confirms-Fedora-Cosmic-spin-coming-as-ear...

j.i.l.l•8/1/24, 9:36 PM

"We may miss the Fedora 41 window so hopefully Fedora 42", bruuuuuuuuuuuuuh

matt_schwartz•8/1/24, 9:40 PM

that’s realistic I think, it’s barely usable right now in my experience

KKamquat this is what a Framework 16 w/ Radeon GPU would cost me in my currency. I paid $...

Akanar•8/1/24, 9:40 PM

As I type from my over $3,000 Framework 16

... The laptop is more about the savings over time than the upfront cost. Theoretically if you buy into the ecosystem you will save money in the long run say when you would typically upgrade to a new laptop you don't actually need to do that. Just buy a new GPU or Mainboard. Don't need to buy an entire new chassis with screen, keyboard, GPU, Chassis, RAM, SSDs, ect. To just get a CPU upgrade for example.

AAkanar As I type from my over $3,000 Framework 16 🥲 ... The laptop is more about the s...

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:45 PM

Well, in my case my choice was purely price driven - but I am also somewhat wary of the GPU thing. I know Framework has proven themselves reliable with CPU mainboard upgrades. I trust that. But I've been burned by 'Upgradable Laptop GPUs' (CoughDellCough) before, and won't trust Framework to do that until another model does actually come out that's backwards compatible.

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:45 PM

But that didnt factor into me not getting one at this time

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:45 PM

It's just a me being a cynical bastard thing

Akanar•8/1/24, 9:47 PM

Also I doubt a $917 similar spec laptop has anywhere the build quality of the Framework 16. I would exspect a screen without Dci-p3 color gamut, a spongy keyboard, lower resolution. A plastic chassic, etc. My last laptop was kind of that situation and some of the standoffs that hold the screws that keep the two halfs of the chassis together broke off. Also the keyboard space bar broke and that is like a half day of work to replace. also the screen was not that great.

AAkanar Also I doubt a $917 similar spec laptop has anywhere the build quality of the Fr...

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:47 PM

Oh I guarantee it doesn't.

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:47 PM

100% SRGB but thats about it. 300 nit screen

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:47 PM

but I use external displays and keyboard so didn't much care

KKamquat Well, in my case my choice was purely price driven - but I am also somewhat wary...

Akanar•8/1/24, 9:48 PM

Totally understandable. I didn't fall for those but I followed them. That is why I waited for Framework 16 and to see how the 13 got upgrades.

AAkanar I used `ujust _restore-original-terminal` to unhide konsole. Now that I know you...

HikariKnight•8/1/24, 9:48 PM

rm ~/.local/share/applications/org.kde.konsole.desktoprm ~/.local/share/applications/org.kde.konsole.desktop

HHikariKnight `rm ~/.local/share/applications/org.kde.konsole.desktop`

Akanar•8/1/24, 9:48 PM

So all that command does is create the desktop file?

AAkanar Totally understandable. I didn't fall for those but I followed them. That is why...

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:48 PM

Yeah. I'm more inclined to think Framework will indeed do it, but I'm taking a 'wait and see' approach for the GPUs. Especially as the GPU thing isn't entirely just on Framework

KKamquat Well, in my case my choice was purely price driven - but I am also somewhat wary...

HikariKnight•8/1/24, 9:49 PM

i want the framework 13, but i want to do gpu passthrough on the framework 16 which will be too big for me to use as a travel pc

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:49 PM

They need a GPU vendor to Sell to them at their volume

AAkanar So all that command does is create the desktop file?

HikariKnight•8/1/24, 9:49 PM

it undoes what the ujust did, all the ujust does is restore the konsole shortcut

HHikariKnight i want the framework 13, but i want to do gpu passthrough on the framework 16 wh...

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:49 PM

yeah I know that feeling. a 16" is pretty large to carry around

HikariKnight•8/1/24, 9:50 PM

kyle did gpu passthrough on his and im like "i want"

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:50 PM

I used to carry a 17.3" beast back it in the early 2000s, along with its monster power brick

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:50 PM

that sucked biking to / from work

HHikariKnight i want the framework 13, but i want to do gpu passthrough on the framework 16 wh...

Akanar•8/1/24, 9:50 PM

Oh yeah, this thing is HEAVY. 5.7 pounds. Just weighed it.

HHikariKnight kyle did gpu passthrough on his and im like "i want"

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:50 PM

Like Lookingglass or whatever? Linux on the iGPU, Windows on the dGPU?

KKamquat I used to carry a 17.3" beast back it in the early 2000s, along with its monster...

HikariKnight•8/1/24, 9:51 PM

i carried around about 20kg of books+laptop to and from school, it was so fun to hand my fellow students my backpack and go non chalantly "hey can you hold this" and hand it to them and watch them almost fall over

KKamquat Like Lookingglass or whatever? Linux on the iGPU, Windows on the dGPU?

HikariKnight•8/1/24, 9:51 PM

yep

Jj.i.l.l "We may miss the Fedora 41 window so hopefully Fedora 42", bruuuuuuuuuuuuuh

SMNFXCN•8/1/24, 9:51 PM

The alpha will be out in a few days. Its not even in beta phase rn

HHikariKnight i carried around about 20kg of books+laptop to and from school, it was so fun to...

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:51 PM

that was me in highschool, because I hated the idea of having to go to/from my locker for books for some reason I can't recall

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:52 PM

ALLL my books in my backpack

redwing•8/1/24, 9:52 PM

I wish there was a pointing stick option on framework

HHikariKnight i carried around about 20kg of books+laptop to and from school, it was so fun to...

SMNFXCN•8/1/24, 9:52 PM

lmao same

Rredwing I wish there was a pointing stick option on framework

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:52 PM

that's basically Thinkpad/Elitebook and thats it these days

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:52 PM

sadly

KKamquat 🤣 that was me in highschool, because I hated the idea of having to go to/from ...

SMNFXCN•8/1/24, 9:53 PM

They kept switching lockers each grade so I stopped keeping track and just kept everything
my back regrets it though

redwing•8/1/24, 9:53 PM

Hp has some

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:53 PM

My first laptop used a trackpoint or whatever they're called. A 486 w/ 8MB Ram

Rredwing Hp has some

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:53 PM

ya thats Elitebook

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:53 PM

their business line

redwing•8/1/24, 9:53 PM

Ah right

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:53 PM

Dell might have business notebooks with them too but I'm not sure

SSMNFXCN They kept switching lockers each grade so I stopped keeping track and just kept ...

KamquatOP•8/1/24, 9:54 PM

My 11th grade year I didn't even ever bother learning my locker combination

KKamquat My 11th grade year I didn't even ever bother learning my locker combination

HikariKnight•8/1/24, 10:14 PM

i lost the key to my padlock for the locker, instead of paying for a new lock i just learned lockpicking.
it was funny that 1 time they needed to inspect my locker and i just handed them the tools i used to lockpick my own lock

this is what a Framework 16 w/ Radeon GPU would cost me in my currency. I paid $917 for similar perf

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