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Noel
oh, so they only update on image build?
oh
, so they only update on image build
?
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Noel
OP
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8/15/24, 3:46 AM
could be nice for some stuff I suppose
.
N
Noel
oh, so they only update on image build?
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 3:47 AM
Yes
, the flatpaks are completely managed by the mechanism that delivers
/usr instead of flatpak
's package management
I
imbev
Yes, the flatpaks are completely managed by the mechanism that delivers /usr ins...
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:48 AM
I could seeing this being useful specifically for like the gnome apps and such
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:48 AM
stuff you typically wouldn
't want a user to uninstall
.
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 3:48 AM
Exactly
, I
'm currently using it to deliver bootc
-gtk
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:49 AM
definitely gonna load your project up in a VM
. Very interested to see what bootc
-gtk looks like
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:49 AM
and other things you are doing
.
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 3:49 AM
Thanks
I
imbev
Thanks
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:51 AM
any reason for the choice of CentOS Stream over Fedora
?
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:52 AM
oh you have it on the site lol
N
Noel
any reason for the choice of CentOS Stream over Fedora?
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 3:53 AM
It
's recently AlmaLinux
-based instead of CentOS Stream
I
imbev
It's recently AlmaLinux-based instead of CentOS Stream
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:53 AM
oh nice
! Yeah
, I was thinking about playing around with the Alma Linux bootc images
.
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 3:55 AM
They
're just like the CentOS Stream images
, but minor
-version stable
I
imbev
They're just like the CentOS Stream images, but minor-version stable
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:55 AM
for sure
!
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:56 AM
Looks like you use Lorax to build your ISOs
?
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:56 AM
oh I see
, yours is a netinstall as well
.
N
Noel
Looks like you use Lorax to build your ISOs?
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 3:57 AM
No
, actually
. The isos are upstream AlmaLinux boot isos
, with some configuration swapped out
I
imbev
No, actually. The isos are upstream AlmaLinux boot isos, with some configuration...
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:57 AM
OH ok
, so you
're just editing the ISO and using a kickstart
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:57 AM
https://codeberg.org/HeliumOS/iso/src/commit/6675880252279a697eb9094385b473e8016999a0/heliumos.ks#L14
Codeberg.org
iso/heliumos.ks at 6675880252279a697eb9094385b473e8016999a0
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:57 AM
this would make it a netinstaller here
.
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 3:58 AM
Yes
, and also see
https://codeberg.org/HeliumOS/iso/src/commit/6675880252279a697eb9094385b473e8016999a0/Makefile#L17
Codeberg.org
iso/Makefile at 6675880252279a697eb9094385b473e8016999a0
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:59 AM
So one challenge you might find is that with a netinstall if your image gets any bigger
, you will have install failures from users
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 3:59 AM
we ran into that problem and ended up moving to
:
https://github.com/JasonN3/build-container-installer/
GitHub
GitHub - JasonN3/build-container-installer: Creates an ISO for inst...
Creates an ISO for installing a container image as an OS
- JasonN3
/build
-container
-installer
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:00 AM
makes your ISO quite a bit bigger
, but it is fully offline
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:00 AM
you can also declare your flatpaks as part of install
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:01 AM
rather than bundling them into the image itself
.
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 4:01 AM
That
's very powerful
I
imbev
That's very powerful
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:02 AM
It
's really helped us a TON
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:02 AM
I really would love the netinstall option to have retries
, but good luck with getting the Anaconda team to implement any features right now
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:02 AM
they are BURIED
.
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 4:04 AM
My main concern with that approach is that the infrastructure will expand beyond mkksiso and podman
, but I
'm reaching the limits of that as is
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:04 AM
I love what you are doing here though
, very cool stuff with bundling flatpaks as part of the image
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:04 AM
I don
't believe anyone had solved that problem
(up to this point
) yet that I was aware of
.
I
imbev
My main concern with that approach is that the infrastructure will expand beyond...
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:04 AM
yeah
, I totally get that
.
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Noel
I don't believe anyone had solved that problem (up to this point) yet that I was...
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 4:05 AM
It might not be solved yet
, I
'm now finding that GNOME Software doesn
't play nice with read only Flatpak installations
I
imbev
It might not be solved yet, I'm now finding that GNOME Software doesn't play nic...
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:05 AM
working on flatpaks themselves make me want to crawl into a hole and cry
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:06 AM
documentation is
.
.
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:06 AM
lackluster lol
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 4:06 AM
flatpak
-builder
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:07 AM
but yeah man
, as far as the Alma Linux or CentOS based images
, it would just be cool to have that option with all the ublue sauce on them
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:08 AM
Not exactly sure what
@j0rge or anyone else had in mind though
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:08 AM
We don
't do a ton of marketing around our main images like we used to just because they are really more build infrastructure than anything else
.
N
Noel
OP
•
8/15/24, 4:09 AM
At any rate
, really glad to have you here
@imbev
. Always glad to see more folks in the space doing cool stuff
!
N
Noel
At any rate, really glad to have you here @imbev. Always glad to see more folks ...
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 4:10 AM
Glad to be here with you and the rest of this community
!
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Noel
working on flatpaks themselves make me want to crawl into a hole and cry.
I
imbev
•
8/15/24, 4:21 AM
Fortunately the problem is a simple fix
: Don
't let GNOME Software or Flatpak be aware of the custom Flatpak installation
N
Noel
We don't do a ton of marketing around our main images like we used to just becau...
B
Bigpod
•
8/15/24, 11:47 AM
well main images should be represented as images to base on not images to use anyway
J
j0rge
•
8/15/24, 2:15 PM
@imbev welcome
!
J
j0rge
•
8/15/24, 2:16 PM
yeah I
'd love to have centos as a tag option in the main images
. Like we have
:latest
,
:40
: 39
, it
's be nice to do
:el10 or whatever so people can just use centos derived images downstream
J
j0rge
•
8/15/24, 2:16 PM
basically I also want to make a
b
l
u
e
f
i
n
:lts that
's bluefin but on centos
.
J
j0rge
•
8/15/24, 2:17 PM
your stuff looks super cool
, I wish more people were making images heh
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