Hi, can someone explain the 3 different DC motors offered on the VPForce website, 57BLF03, 86BLF04

Hi, can someone explain the 3 different DC motors offered on the VPForce website, 57BLF03, 86BLF04 and 86BLF03?
I would like to get single motor and controller to build a collective…..which motor is best for this DIY project. Ta

MMike T Hi, can someone explain the 3 different DC motors offered on the VPForce website...

TheAmazinGreat•9/5/24, 12:23 AM

First two numbers are the dimensions of the motors 57mm vs 86mm. The 86 are bigger motors than the 57 but the 86BLF04 is bigger (longer) than the 86BLF03. Bigger motor means more force.

I think for collective, most people are doing 86 series. 03 would probably be fine but for only 20€ more, you can get the stronger 04 motor kit.

TheAmazinGreat•9/5/24, 12:24 AM

From the FAQ:

What kind of motor are available?
Three types of motors are available:
57BLF03 - 57x101mm - 1.6Nm peak - 1.24kg - NEMA23 [used in the RHINO base]
86BLF03 - 86x81mm - 3.2Nm peak - 2.2kg - NEMA34
86BLF04 - 86x94mm - 4.2Nm peak - 2.75kg - NEMA34

Sageh•9/5/24, 7:43 AM

Has the price of 800 € for the base at some point changed from VAT included to VAT excluded? In February at least an invoice to Finland was 800 €, tax included, but mine just now was 800 €, tax excluded. It's a pretty substantial change.

walmis•9/5/24, 8:02 AM

Yes, since July (mentioned on the order page)

Spelljammer1•9/5/24, 8:27 AM

still worth it imho

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•9/5/24, 8:35 AM

Indeed

MMike T Hi, can someone explain the 3 different DC motors offered on the VPForce website...

Daz_bike•9/5/24, 11:56 AM

I used the 86BLF03 on a Virpil collective. Great mod and the collective is so much better than the bike damper and counterweight I was using before.

DDaz_bike I used the 86BLF03 on a Virpil collective. Great mod and the collective is so m...

kaltokri•9/5/24, 12:01 PM

Can you share the mod please? I'm thinking about buying a Virpil collective and would love to have FFB on it.

DDaz_bike I used the 86BLF03 on a Virpil collective. Great mod and the collective is so m...

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•9/5/24, 12:13 PM

yep, interesting!

TTheAmazinGreat First two numbers are the dimensions of the motors 57mm vs 86mm. The 86 are bigg...

Mike TOP•9/5/24, 7:17 PM

Thanks for the info…..looked for it but missed that FAQ.

DDaz_bike I used the 86BLF03 on a Virpil collective. Great mod and the collective is so m...

Mike TOP•9/5/24, 7:18 PM

I to would be interested in the mod……save having to re-invent the wheel with a new DIY unit. Thanks

Kkaltokri Can you share the mod please? I'm thinking about buying a Virpil collective and ...

Daz_bike•9/6/24, 9:33 AM

I used the mod by @Tinman here https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1212775841193267270/1215550233853956167

Daz_bike•9/6/24, 9:34 AM

I will post a picture of my build tomorrow (late here).

VPforceBot•9/6/24, 10:21 AM

:package:

RHINO #0681 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•9/6/24, 10:21 AM

:package:

RHINO #0682 Has Shipped!

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/6/24, 2:19 PM

https://forum.virpil.com/index.php?/topic/21852-advanced-flight-yoke-project-briefing/

tldr Virpil Civil Aviation yoke is a kickstarter project

FFB explicitly mentioned as not being a feature yet and that they are working on it in the future

Force Feedback?
The VIRPIL Advanced Flight Yoke Project will not be an FFB device.

We are still working hard on FFB to provide the best solution available. Our team has noted numerous issues with the implementation of other solutions as confirmed by other active-duty pilots. FFB in flight-sim software is young and we do not want to raise the cost of the device, potentially pushing it out of reach of many pilots for feature implementations that are not quite ready.

We have an FFB industry expert on our team to help us achieve the best, but the best takes time! Backers of the VIRPIL Advanced Flight Yoke Project will receive preferential terms to any future FFB developments in our Civil Aviation controller segment.

VIRPIL Controls

Advanced Flight Yoke Project Briefing

Hello VIRPILs! As you’ve seen from our latest teasers, we are bringing something truly exciting to virtual pilots around the world… Introducing the VIRPIL Controls Advanced Flight Yoke Project! We are incredibly excited to talk about our first project in the general aviation control segment, and ...

j9murphy•9/6/24, 3:11 PM

bets for how long it will take for someone on this discord to get one, tear it apart and see if they can adapt it for ffb lol

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/6/24, 3:14 PM

1-2 months for fully functional working build if someone is determined

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/6/24, 3:15 PM

(I'm not - I'll just wait for the official FFB version, even though it will likely be twice the price)

Jj9murphy bets for how long it will take for someone on this discord to get one, tear it a...

YunacPL•9/6/24, 3:35 PM

i was just about to say that will be probably just an angle connector to rhino definitely ill give a try

Jj9murphy bets for how long it will take for someone on this discord to get one, tear it a...

Bob Bushman•9/6/24, 4:29 PM

Its not ffb already? kind og makes the bulk seem unnecessary

Bob Bushman•9/6/24, 4:32 PM

Honestly it looks then like a very hard sell as I could just go buy a honeycomb yoke right now.

They literally have to hit a €200 price point max to offset their shipping.

TeufelHunden•9/6/24, 5:11 PM

trying to figure out how to engineer my current customized monstertech mount wor with my VP Rhino. I live close to the 80/20 LLC company so I can use them to cut and mill the extrusion for me. Is the Rhino base heavy enough if mounted to a square 80/20 base it will not move while being used?

TeufelHunden•9/6/24, 5:12 PM

Or will I still need to utilize the desk clamp in order to keep the base from shifting?

TeufelHunden•9/6/24, 5:12 PM

my Rhino just arrived!!!

BBob Bushman Honestly it looks then like a very hard sell as I could just go buy a honeycomb ...

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/6/24, 5:17 PM

500 euros rrp

TTeufelHunden trying to figure out how to engineer my current customized monstertech mount wor...

Dracks•9/6/24, 5:53 PM

Hello

, I don't know if I understood your question correctly, but here's my assembly on the MTS chassis. If it helps

Dracks•9/6/24, 5:54 PM

Dracks•9/6/24, 5:55 PM

Everything is super stable and almost 0 movement. But then I have some vibration if the FFB is strong

Dracks•9/6/24, 5:56 PM

Not disturbing though

BBob Bushman Honestly it looks then like a very hard sell as I could just go buy a honeycomb ...

buzzbomb•9/6/24, 6:31 PM

I may be the minority but i hated the Honeycomb Yoke. Pitch was too stiff with a bit of sticktion and slop. Also hate their mounting system. I do love the Bravo though.

Bob Bushman•9/6/24, 6:41 PM

Can't say Iv'e tried it, but that's what will have to beat, and I can get it for the equivalent of €220 with all the benefits of buying locally, including five year mandated local warranty, 14 days mandated trial period etc.
Virpil also charge €90 in shipping, and I get 25% vat on top and gives me none of that.

Alighierian•9/6/24, 6:53 PM

That does sound like a relatively personal circumstance and calculation, though.

I.e.: Virpil would have to hit €200 for it to be worthwhile for you.
(Which is unlikely to happen, as they're aiming for ~€500)

By no means a bad consideration, but it doesn't apply globally.
(Esp. with the issues Honeycomb is going through.
Dunno if they resolved that yet.)

AAlighierian That does sound like a relatively personal circumstance and calculation, though....

j9murphy•9/6/24, 8:51 PM

100% agree with the pitch being too stiff on the alpha

BBob Bushman Honestly it looks then like a very hard sell as I could just go buy a honeycomb ...

WhiteHawk77•9/7/24, 2:11 AM

We need something in between the Honeycomb and the more expensive yokes like Virtual Fly’s Yoko+ which I have currently, and Virpil have the chops to make something very nice in that bracket, and honestly they should have done and released this a couple of years back.

Not a hard sell at all, at least to those who know the quality of their stick bases. Honeycomb made a step up from the entry level but it’s still not great quality and I would have snapped this up in a heart beat back then, with the swappable yoke handles too, they would have had my money instead of Virtual Fly for sure.

But, I am in the position now where the next upgrade is only going to be FFB so I am also disappointed there was no FFB option, but that’s obviously going to be a jump in price over this.

WWhiteHawk77 We need something in between the Honeycomb and the more expensive yokes like Vir...

buzzbomb•9/7/24, 2:51 AM

Agree 100%. My next yoke will be FFB as i already have an Alpha (hate it), the TM boeing yoke (my go to), and an old PFC Cirrus yoke (built like a tank but over 14 years old and too unwieldly). I have been contemplating converting the PFC yoke to FFB as its definitely large enough and sturdy enough to handle it.

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一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機Kyūden•9/7/24, 3:50 AM

if virpil keeps using the miniDin connector for the yoke handle, it will benefit DIYers greatly..

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一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機Kyūden•9/7/24, 3:52 AM

btw is their "FFB industry expert" Walmis

superbird1011•9/7/24, 5:09 PM

I don’t have the ability to build a rig rn, I’ve had the VPForce mounted on cheap amazon desk mounts and its pretty flimsy, can anyone recomment good sturdy desk mounts for the Rhino?

Kamini•9/7/24, 5:13 PM

I have it mounted on my sim rig in a similar way that monster tech does it. But turns out it's a bit bendy. It will have to do until I can get a new chair

Bblave549 I have the MFGs with damper and a very lightly loaded spring, which provides a ...

SR-F Bullfrog | Gerald•9/7/24, 5:26 PM

Hi - I have seen, that you own both: HF-8 and Rhino. Maybe you can help me. Since I installed and used the Rhino my HF-8 stopped working properly. I can test the motors in the Software and it says connected, but when I fly in DCS there are no mor vibrations. I guess it collides somehow with the VPForce telemetry app. Any ideas?

AndyHill•9/7/24, 5:37 PM

is there a conflict in the way they handle export.lua?

SR-F Bullfrog | Gerald•9/7/24, 5:37 PM

how can I check this?

AndyHill•9/7/24, 5:50 PM

You can either go look at the entries made into the file and try to figure it out or wait for one of the local experts to pop up

SR-F Bullfrog | Gerald•9/7/24, 5:53 PM

I have checked the files and did not found useful information, both apps use different ports so far... Now I try to change the order they are loaded...

SR-F Bullfrog | Gerald•9/7/24, 5:57 PM

Changing the order indeed helped. Now both devices are working as expected - thanks for helping!

AndyHill•9/7/24, 6:16 PM

I'm useful

Ssuperbird1011 I don’t have the ability to build a rig rn, I’ve had the VPForce mounted on chea...

Dracks•9/7/24, 7:22 PM

Monstertech is amazing (but not cheap, perhaps you'll find an alternative)

Keil•9/7/24, 9:19 PM

Not sure where to put this. MY number has come up (yay) but I can't send the order form (boo). I can fill in all the fields but when I press submit nothing happens

Keil•9/7/24, 9:21 PM

Out of desperation I sent walmis an email with all the details but if I could get this form to work I'd be much happier

Hi, can someone explain the 3 different DC motors offered on the VPForce website, 57BLF03, 86BLF04

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