negativo17 vs rpmfusion

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bsherman•9/6/24, 6:37 PM

I was thinking about the hassle with rpmfusion skew, and how we previously had similar issues with rpmfusion nvidia... we addressed it in the past by moving to negativo17's repos for nvidia (there were some other reasons, than skew, too, but we did it)

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:38 PM

so, i did a quick little experiement:

https://github.com/ublue-os/main/pull/636

GitHub

feat: use negativo17 in lieu of rpmfusion by bsherman · Pull Reques...

This is an experiment to see what the negativo17 fedora-multimedia repo can provide without rpmfusion.

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:39 PM

it looks like it builds clean for all of main, the only package we outright LOSE is ffmpegthumbnailerffmpegthumbnailer and i think it may have really been there only for non-KDE non-GNOME desktops

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:39 PM

i'm willing to cut it

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:39 PM

looks like HWE won't be impacted

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:40 PM

and this would leave a hopefully more stable set of main images for bluefin/bazzite to build upon.

of course, they can still do whatever they want, add rpmfusion back if they wish, replace mesa with something more custom, etc.

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:40 PM

i have NOT verified that negativo17 has ALL the same build flags as rpmfusion, but the general gist seems to be the same, don't cripple the codecs, etc

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:40 PM

@M2 @Kyle Gospo @j0rge

Robert•9/6/24, 6:41 PM

and this would leave a hopefully more stable set of main images for bluefin/bazzite to build upon.

Any harm leaving ffmpegthumbnailer package being installed via rpmfusion for whichever desktop wants it?

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:42 PM

I'm +1 to removing rpmfusion from our lives in general.

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:42 PM

I looked it up and cinnamon needed it but we stopped making those images 6 months ago

RRobert > and this would leave a hopefully more stable set of main images for bluefin/ba...

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:42 PM

it would add a dependancy back to rpmfusion

Bbsherman it looks like it builds clean for all of main, the only package we outright LOSE...

Kyle Gospo•9/6/24, 6:42 PM

Worth checking if that's in terra

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:42 PM

not sure what else uses ffmpegthumbnailer, I think nautilus uses some gstreamer thing?

Jj0rge not sure what else uses ffmpegthumbnailer, I think nautilus uses some gstreamer ...

Kyle Gospo•9/6/24, 6:42 PM

The file browser itself uses it, sucks not having it

Bbsherman it would add a dependancy back to rpmfusion

Robert•9/6/24, 6:43 PM

I was thinking that dependency on rpmfusion would be on a single image, rather than everything, so would not harm GNOME / KDE

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:43 PM

oh so we need it for GNOME then

Jj0rge not sure what else uses ffmpegthumbnailer, I think nautilus uses some gstreamer ...

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:43 PM

ffmpegthumbnailer is excluded in kde

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:43 PM

ah ok.

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:43 PM

i personally don't really like it

but i'm me

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:43 PM

we just need to ensure nautilus can make thumbnails because you can't do that on silverblue and it was a real problem back in the day

Jj0rge we just need to ensure nautilus can make thumbnails because you can't do that on...

Kyle Gospo•9/6/24, 6:44 PM

We need that package for that to work

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:44 PM

like initially the only reason bluefin needed rpmfusion was for the thumbnailers, the other codecs are in flathub.

Kyle Gospo•9/6/24, 6:44 PM

And it can't be built in copr

KKyle Gospo We need that package for that to work

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:44 PM

right, just wanted to confirm that we needed it for GNOME

KKyle Gospo We need that package for that to work

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:44 PM

for image thumbnails or for video thumbnails

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:44 PM

and I figured copr would be a nonstarter

Bbsherman for image thumbnails or for video thumbnails

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:44 PM

both afaict, there's those weird image formats that the normals use

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:45 PM

heic or whatever?

Robert•9/6/24, 6:45 PM

RPMFusion's ffmpegthumbnailer has the latest commit saying it's been moved to Fedora

Jj0rge heic or whatever?

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:45 PM

heic libs are included separately, i don't think that has anything to do with ffmpeg

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:45 PM

ah ok

Bbsherman it looks like it builds clean for all of main, the only package we outright LOSE...

fiftydinar•9/6/24, 6:45 PM

it's needed for Gnome to show video thumbnails in Nautilus

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:46 PM

obvisouly hyperbole but maybe shove the rpm in a package in the kernel-cache, remove the entire rpmfusion dependency entirely, and call it a day. Meet at the surface for beers.

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:50 PM

This looks like it’s in already

https://packages.fedoraproject.org/pkgs/ffmpegthumbs/ffmpegthumbs/

ffmpegthumbs - Fedora Packages

View ffmpegthumbs in the Fedora package repositories. ffmpegthumbs: KDE ffmpegthumbnailer service

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:50 PM

It just got named differently because, Fedora packages

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:51 PM

Ah no

This is the one

https://packages.fedoraproject.org/pkgs/ffmpegthumbnailer/ffmpegthumbnailer/

ffmpegthumbnailer - Fedora Packages

View ffmpegthumbnailer in the Fedora package repositories. ffmpegthumbnailer: Lightweight video thumbnailer that can be used by file managers

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:51 PM

F41

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:51 PM

yeah but is it usable or is it stripped of everything?

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:51 PM

Yeah it is

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:52 PM

Maybe negativo17 will add it if we PR

Bbsherman Ah no This is the one https://packages.fedoraproject.org/pkgs/ffmpegthumbnaile...

fiftydinar•9/6/24, 6:52 PM

they didn't have it in repo due to proprietary thumbnailing, idk what changed

fiftydinar•9/6/24, 6:52 PM

hopefully, they did not strip it like with ffmpeg-freeffmpeg-free

Ffiftydinar hopefully, they did not strip it like with `ffmpeg-free`

bsherman•9/6/24, 6:53 PM

They did

j0rge•9/6/24, 6:53 PM

lol why don't they just stop packaging ffmpeg, it'd be easier

fiftydinar•9/6/24, 7:02 PM

@bsherman Just looking at the spec file & it looks like they don't do any modifications to it.

And it makes sense, because:

The thumbnailer uses ffmpeg to decode frames from the video files, so supported videoformats depend on the configuration flags of ffmpeg.

The thumbnailer uses ffmpeg to decode frames from the video files, so supported videoformats depend on the configuration flags of ffmpeg.

fiftydinar•9/6/24, 7:02 PM

And ffmpegffmpeg is covered from negativo

fiftydinar•9/6/24, 7:02 PM

so it's all good

j0rge•9/6/24, 7:03 PM

oh so worst case we could toss it in staging for downstream?

fiftydinar•9/6/24, 7:04 PM

or we can wait F41

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