Yes (part time tester for HB, and "Vulture" in some of the training missions). It's not bad for this

Yes (part time tester for HB, and "Vulture" in some of the training missions). It's not bad for this early but still has a few rough edges in the FM that we are working on. I'm really looking forward to setting it up and seeing how it works with the Rhino because the F-4s flight control system really doesn't play well with simple spring joysticks. But overall the "feel" is pretty close; in some areas the sim is easier to fly than the jet, in others its a lot harder. Patience, grasshopper!

VVulture Yes (part time tester for HB, and "Vulture" in some of the training missions). I...

Col. Sanders•9/17/24, 2:39 AM

O man that's super cool. I skipped the training missions as a friend went through them and got me up to speed. I'll have to check them out.

I had a neighbor who flew F4Cs in Vietnam come and fly and he really liked it and thought it felt pretty good. But he hadn't flown it 50+ years.

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一五式艦上戦闘爆撃機Kyūden•9/17/24, 3:01 AM

btw is it possible to set limits for trim following, in case it's not natively supported for certain modules/games? If I understand it correctly, trim actuator can only move the stick until certain limits on the travel in some aircraft, it can not move the stick to the end of the travel

buzzbomb•9/17/24, 4:40 AM

my rhino should be here on wednesday evening

VRFGiPJP•9/17/24, 10:30 AM

How could I cancel pre-order?

Alighierian•9/17/24, 10:44 AM

Best DM Walmis, along with the registration email

VPforceBot•9/17/24, 11:02 AM

:package:

RHINO #0696 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•9/17/24, 11:02 AM

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VVulture Yes (part time tester for HB, and "Vulture" in some of the training missions). I...

Hiob•9/17/24, 11:36 AM

I always felt that sims are mainly harder to fly (on a regular 2D) monitor due to the lack of depth perception and gut feeling for acceleration. Judging a flight path on final approach (without gimmicks like a HUD and flight path marker) or hovering a helicopter e.g. ...I have no real life flying experience whatsoever though. So maybe I'm completely wrong.

HHiob I always felt that sims are mainly harder to fly (on a regular 2D) monitor due t...

Kite•9/17/24, 11:55 AM

This is also my excuse.

KKite This is also my excuse.

Hiob•9/17/24, 11:57 AM

Well at least I know for sure that VR makes hovering a chopper MUCH easier! I still prefer 2D though.

HHiob Well at least I know for sure that VR makes hovering a chopper MUCH easier! I st...

Kite•9/17/24, 11:58 AM

VR is far better in many ways. What head-set did you try and why do you prefer 2D?

Alighierian•9/17/24, 11:59 AM

Screenshots and 2nd (/3rd etc) monitor use for random stuff would be common pros for pancake.

KKite VR is far better in many ways. What head-set did you try and why do you prefer 2...

Hiob•9/17/24, 12:02 PM

What exactly is it better in apart from Depth perception and maybe FOV? I simply prefer not to wear a headset.

HHiob What exactly is it better in apart from Depth perception and maybe FOV? I simply...

Kite•9/17/24, 12:05 PM

I noticed that in cockpits with a lot of things in the way of seeing out (like F-14) having stereo optics lets you see a lot more as often one eye will have a view. And immersion of course.

Kite•9/17/24, 12:05 PM

Head tracking isn't that good.

Kite•9/17/24, 12:06 PM

Have you tried the Bigscreen beyond?

TheAmazinGreat•9/17/24, 12:16 PM

I’ve only played on a Quest, but spotting and ID were almost impossible in VR in IL2. Flat screen is leaps and bounds better. The immersion was nice so I would just turn on object markers but that is usually locked out in multiplayer.

Kite•9/17/24, 12:17 PM

Which Quest?

TheAmazinGreat•9/17/24, 12:17 PM

Original

Kite•9/17/24, 12:17 PM

Oh wow.... time for another try perhaps.

TheAmazinGreat•9/17/24, 12:19 PM

If I ever do it’ll be Quest 3. I can’t justify a $1000+ headset.

Kite•9/17/24, 12:20 PM

Q3 is a good all around headset.

TheAmazinGreat•9/17/24, 12:20 PM

The VR space needs more competition in the $500 range.

Kite•9/17/24, 12:21 PM

I'm all for it. But for that the market needs more buyers.

KKite I'm all for it. But for that the market needs more buyers.

Stryker990•9/17/24, 12:22 PM

And for that the market needs more cheaper sets

TheAmazinGreat•9/17/24, 12:22 PM

Catch 22, because I’m not a buyer based on the price alone.

Kite•9/17/24, 12:22 PM

True.

TTheAmazinGreat If I ever do it’ll be Quest 3. I can’t justify a $1000+ headset.

Arno•9/17/24, 3:28 PM

The headset is not the expensive part of VR, especially for flight simming, you need a top spec PC to drive it, more expensive than most headsets.

Bob Bushman•9/17/24, 3:56 PM

Yup, its telling that for dcs vr a 4080s is considered a budget option.

Is that because vr is an almost impossible task, or because ED consists of a bunch of drunk idiots that shouldn't be working in the industry?
Well you can guess my opinion.

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/17/24, 3:59 PM

But they're removing single core soon and improving performance on multi core

Surely that means I can use VR on my 3080 soon right

VPforceBot•9/17/24, 4:10 PM

:package:

RHINO #0698 Has Shipped!

HHiob What exactly is it better in apart from Depth perception and maybe FOV? I simply...

VultureOP•9/17/24, 4:18 PM

So background, I've been flying aircraft since 1968, and sims (military and PC) a lot, with and without visual/motion/control loaders and now VR and FFB. IMO, VR is the biggest improvement - flying on a flat screen is a nice game, but still a game; VR makes it a simulation. It's not only depth perception, it's the one-to-one correlation to where you are looking as well as the presense of parallax which makes a huge difference. VR is better than the best military dome sim, and I've worked on the best; which is why militaries are going VR also.

j9murphy•9/17/24, 4:20 PM

I love VR as well, the part that is way behind in VR is interacting with the cockpit. PointCtrl works well with DCS, but there are no great options for MSFS or Xplane (other than the mouse which is ok, but not ideal)

VultureOP•9/17/24, 4:21 PM

Right now the main problems with consumer VR is FOV and the need for really good pass-through (MR) to allow use in a sim pit and for checking documents, etc. Also the PC horsepower; it's not cheap! But military users are pushing those areas, and that will trickle down to us eventually. I actually did testing on an MR full fidelity Tornado simulator in Germany back in 1993 (!) and it was amazing, but crushingly uncomfortable and the graphics were, well, basic. And now I have it all (except for MR) at home.

VultureOP•9/17/24, 4:23 PM

By the way I use a Quest Pro and with eyetracking and DFR it's amazing.

j9murphy•9/17/24, 4:25 PM

I agree FOV could be better, I use the crystal and vertical fov is good, but I would love to have horizontal fov out to 180! That would also help the sense of speed perception quite a bit.

Hiob•9/17/24, 4:34 PM

I get all that, but for me to be sold, VR headsets need to become waaay more comfortable and the picture quality also needs improvement still. I‘m not saying it is bad, or that VR doesn’t have its perks, but it’s not there yet for me. Just personal preference - nothing to argue about.

j9murphy•9/17/24, 4:41 PM

lol, not trying to convert you of course. I fly without VR occasionally as well just to avoid the mess. It's sometimes way easier for me to learn in 2D and then move to VR as well. I have VR, motion, FFB, buttkicker, haptic pad, and addons (Vaicom, necksafer, etc...) - I had to write a pretty lengthy powershell script to manage all of the software startup and remind me to check things along the way to get a consistent startup experience. It's honestly a mess to self support all of the integration points.

j9murphy•9/17/24, 4:43 PM

...and then tuning anything is a multivariate problem with infinite combinations.... why do I do this again? lol

Hiob•9/17/24, 4:50 PM

yeah that’s another thing. If it gets too cumbersome, I catch myself staying on the couch even though I feel the urge to fly. I tend to simplify things instead of making them more difficult (well some exceptions like FFB obviously). For example I went down the rabbit hole of surround sound pretty deep before I realised that I actually don’t need more than a decent stereo setup, which is much cheaper, much easier to deal with and makes a nicer room.

Arno•9/17/24, 4:54 PM

But what is more cumbersome than doing a quick flight in VR, is going to an airport, opening up the hanger, fueling a plane, and getting going overall. Not to forget washing the thing when you are done....

AArno But what is more cumbersome than doing a quick flight in VR, is going to an airp...

j9murphy•9/17/24, 4:55 PM

well that's true! although there is something to be said for actually touching the aircraft aluminum, smelling the jetA, talking to ATC, and feeling the plane come to life!

j9murphy•9/17/24, 4:56 PM

we can sim all that, but it's not quite the same:)

j9murphy•9/17/24, 4:57 PM

I used find myslef like hiob sometimes just not wanting to take on the effort, however, having a dedicated sim that is always set up and automating the startup so that it asks me what sim I want to fly, if I want to use VR, etc... and then everything justs starts up has helped a lot

Arno•9/17/24, 4:58 PM

I have flown planes big and small IRL, but one of the most immersive flights in VR is gliding. You are laser-focused from beginning to end on managing your flight and staying aloft. When you land and come to a standstill, you feel the same kind of satisfaction and release as in real life.

Sudeebare•9/17/24, 4:58 PM

Never try to talk someone into spending for something that they don't value.

Hiob•9/17/24, 5:51 PM

Oh, I do own a VR -headset. Not the fanciest by todays standards but okayish (Valve Index). I used it quite a lot with DCS, but it is shelved.

AArno I have flown planes big and small IRL, but one of the most immersive flights in ...

VultureOP•9/17/24, 6:35 PM

Totally agree. I used to use Condor 2 a lot, and our gliding club has a 3-screen simpit for training on it, but lately I've been using the gliders in Aerofly FS4 and they are a blast in VR - much better FM than Condor IMO (but weather needs work). There is an Antares selflauncher that is just incredible.

VultureOP•9/17/24, 6:38 PM

I find that simming (especially in VR) and actual flying complement each other nicely. At my age, it's important to keep current, and while I still fly a lot with my local club, over the winter I try to fly often to keep sharp. Always trying to make flights complete: Startup, TO, airwork, RTB and land. Bonus if there is a nice furball in the middle. The P-51 and Dora 9 make a pretty good standin for the Pawnee

Yes (part time tester for HB, and "Vulture" in some of the training missions). It's not bad for this

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