Do FFB Pedals help with feeling sideslip and making coordinated turns in prop planes (i.e. ww2)?
Do FFB Pedals help with feeling sideslip and making coordinated turns in prop planes (i.e. ww2)?
HNo, I don’t think the implementation is sophisticated enough for that. You have increasing resistance with airspeed, that’s about it. At least that is my perception.
BAh thats a bummer. I love how the Rhino has really allowed me to feel the limits of control when flying. Like I rarely ever stall the P51 anymore because the stick is just giving me all the info I need.
Coordinated flight is still one thing though, were I have no idea how I'm doing. I just have to stare at a ball on the screen to get any indication of what's going on.... If FFB pedals could also make me understand by feel what's happening with the aircraft, it'd easily move them up to the next upgrade for my kit.
Coordinated flight is still one thing though, were I have no idea how I'm doing. I just have to stare at a ball on the screen to get any indication of what's going on.... If FFB pedals could also make me understand by feel what's happening with the aircraft, it'd easily move them up to the next upgrade for my kit.
HFull disclosure, I never paid particular attention to slip/skid feeling on the rudder. I only know that rudder ffb is an afterthought at best in DCS.
Beven in most real [light GA props] aircraft you dont feel if you are coordinated in the rudder pedals. you feel most of the coordination in your butt and to a much lesser extent your sight picture. you will feel the effects of torque/p factor/propwash and such in the pedals though.
BAh, well I've got no real flight experience to compare to, nor am I necessarily tying to get the most realistic feel... I've just had my eyes opened to the fact that the Rhino sick can help me understand how the aircraft is performing simply by feel... and sideslip is one aspect where I just can't feel it.
If it is, as you say, felt in the butt, not the pedals, maybe what I need is to invest in some buttkickers?
If it is, as you say, felt in the butt, not the pedals, maybe what I need is to invest in some buttkickers?
Hbetter aim for a motion platform then….
Bbuttkicker isnt the same effect....what you feel is more of a lateral movement...yeah what @Hiob said...motion platform with sway effect
BHaha, alright, motion platform it is 
HButtkicker can only do haptic effects that are more or less unrealistic and just a stand-in to give some kind of feedback. What you need for coordinated flight is acceleration. (6dof would be optimal)
Bhere is a better explanation of what im talking about with regards to how it feels https://youtu.be/zdZ2Rwq86vA?si=hjpb7Go4uiM7ySQ6
YouTubeThe Finer Points
Loss of control is still a leading cause of aircraft accidents. Pilots don't have good stick and rudder skills, as a rule. But what can we do? A lot of us have read about or heard about "seat of your pants" flying skills but don't really know what that means or how to get good at it. What worse? It can be very hard to feel the airplane in many m...
BOh cool, thanks. That was really instructive actually watching his nose move on the hard banks. I might try this exercise, see if I can recreate it, though I don't know if I'll get much out of it tying it in a sim.
Byou can get value out of it even in a sim..your mind does a great job of filling in the blanks.
Bhe also has great videos on all the basics
B@B34ker this exercise can help you https://youtu.be/1_eRGKOuc1k?si=buEK5nnjmrpzn-uc
YouTubeThe Finer Points
How many times have you heard your instructor say, "DON'T use right rudder?" - probably not that often haha. Anyway, here is one time you will hear me say it. Make sure you're not making this very common error. Fly Your Best!
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BThanks, I appreciate the links!
Awhenever there is a question of if FFB can do something, it's important to note the difference between the hardware and the software
Athe hardware can do most things that are related to constant forces or vibrations, but the software might simply not provide such things
Aideally the simulator makers would also provide all the FFB stuff, because they have the best data available for the plane or whatever they just modeled
Acurrently the support is mixed and especially for rudders, virtually none, so it's up to telemFFB and the likes
BYeah, I guess there was an implied "Can FFB pedals, via telemFFB software, help with feeling coordinated flight?" in my question
Ayes and it's a very reasonable question, it's just that recently there has understandably been a lot of new people interested in FFB and the question pops up from time to time
Athe technology is just amazing, but the reality is that there is still work to do for the sim makers as well as hardware vendors and software heroes such as telemFFB before the potential is fully realized
Byeah what makes or breaks a good control loaded setup is the software. telemffb seems to be bhe most capable software out there. I havent used Brunners CSL software but i would suspect its close but doesnt have the ear of the 'gaming/simming' community like telemffb does. Not to mention the cost
BIve had my Rhino for 3 days but have been following the progress for a while. I am a pilot for fun irl and professionally a software guy so i really enjoy and appreciate the capabilities that telemffb provides. I must say that after only 3 days of ownership im already planning on either modding my slaw viper rx pedals or building a custom set for control loading. I also have an old PFC yoke that is built like a tank that might make a good testbed for control loaded yoke
Bafter using my rhino it cannot bear to go back to a spring yoke
Ookay , it's because there is no dead zone I thought having a larger circle would increase the dead zone and stop helicopter AP being triggered to going off. , Hmmm 
Cheers.
Cheers.
NWhich heli is giving you trouble? There's no deadzone but you shouldn't need one if you've got things set up so your stick properly centers in the "center circle" when hands off. Use Balance Spring and Adaptive Recentering
JMaxFlightStick released a joystick base adapter for their cyclic grips: https://t.co/sMGl7gOtGl
#flightsim #maxflightstick #cyclic
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9/21/24, 7:27 PM
CLooks interesting…also didn‘t know they offer their cyclic grip in two versions: resin built and metal
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Pthey have both options
IDoes that grip connect to the pin connector in our rhino? All I need is the cyclic to complete my setup. I give up on virpil doing it now that they’re doing the dang civi stuff.
Fyeah, they made a connector
II understood the connector to attach to the base. I didn’t realize that also included the buttons etc.
JThe tweet I shared showed it on a Virpil base, which to me meant they now sold a way to connect to Virpil bases, and use all buttons. 
JWhich by extension, means it would work on Rhino and use all buttons
Ait looks like it'll sorta work how the VKB does, which requires a separate connection and it'll be a separate input device
JYeah, it just depends on how the thing they made works, and interfaces, but on a surface level it does definitely look quite possible to use their cyclics on Rhino which is awesome
JI've not looked into it in depth beyond sharing the tweet and what can be gleaned at a glance because I'm not currently in the market for one. I know it could interest a fair share of people here though and felt it worth sharing 
MWhich country the packages with motors are sent from?
WEU, Lithuania
MThank you
ITheir website has the connector and they specifically call out VP Rhino. But me too confused on the button connection. I shot an email to them.
TIs there a way to se my queue position for the MFG FFB kit?
Tor are there any updates on that at all really
HDM the VPforce bot with !info your@email.adress
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H....ups sorry, missed you asked specifically for the Pedals. That works only for Rhinos I think
TYeah, I've already got the rhino, but keen to get the pedals too
Tor might DIY it if I could find a guide