I reset the config to default, seems to fix the trim issue, but still the in level flight the stick
I reset the config to default, seems to fix the trim issue, but still the in level flight the stick is very far forward
HThat is normal and how it is supposed to be
Csaturation is 100
HLast thing is to check the special options for the Phantom, beyond that I‘m out of ideas right now, sorry.
CThats okay, thanks so much for your help. Which options should I have checked in the special options?
HSorry can’t tell from the top of my head. Just see if anything seems off.
CCool, thanks again. Really appreciate it
HIf you really can’t adjust to the forward position of the stick in cruise flight (it is correct though), you could make a Phantom specific VP config where you manually correct the calibration values so the the „middle“ position is more toward you.
HWith telemFFB you can load specific Vp configs automatically with each module. I strongly recommend to use it with the Rhino. It is easily 50% of the experience.
Csweet, I'll check it out
HLots of support for it here in the discord as well. „You‘ll never walk alone“… 
HI need to go to bed…..
Hgn8
Cnight!
CIs there a youtube video that walks people through this?"
EFirst timer too, just doing pedals and no stick. What I noticed is that the outer circle here indicating the center position in the F4 was further up the Y axis rather than centered. As soon as I jumped into another plane, it came back to center.
Probably to do on HB's side given that they use a different technique to all the other modules in the game to determine stick position. I'm yet to look through the special options menu.
Probably to do on HB's side given that they use a different technique to all the other modules in the game to determine stick position. I'm yet to look through the special options menu.
H@CoolHand @EnvyC When I'm home tonight I will have a look into the phantom and how it shows in VP config. It's hard to recall from memory.....
HI just can say that in many non-fly-by-wire Aircraft it is absolutely normal that the stick is trimmed forward in level flight. The faster you go the further it moves away from you.
EYeah it's not that, trim is full nose down and it'll still pitch up
HThat's definitely not correct then. Does the trim really work? Is the controls overlay showing the trimmed position moved forward?
ETrim works, its just ineffective compared to the stick movement
HI will have look tonight. I fly the Phantom often and never noticed any issue with FFB or trim. Something is off here, but we'll get to it eventually.
ETook the F14 out, flies nice and straight
EF4 shows stick centered, but now the diagram in VPF is showing even higher
EF4 is effectively pulling straight back, to get level flight I need to do this with my stick
ESpecial options is as shown, I'm not sure if anything in here needs tweaking
HTry to disable the stick force blending and see if it makes a difference. Only option that could be related as far as I can tell. By the way, the little diamond in the overlay is the trim position.
Eyeah, hence why its still strange that it pulling nose up
EIts definitely isolated to the Rhino, I pulled out the usb and just plugged it directly into the pedals and I get normal flight
E
HAre you using TelemFFB?
Eyeah
Hcan you try without?
Egimme a few
HAnd can you make a screen of all the settings pages of VP config please?
HEffects and Settings that is
EIm still trying out all the effects and sliders and seeing what they're doing so it may look all over the place
ENo change with TelemFFB off and F4 is actually way worse with stick blending off
HTwo thoughts about your VP config settings. Why would you activate axis scaling and then put it to 100%? I'd recommend deactivating it. Second. Putting mastergain to 80 and spring gain to 100 is kind of inverted. It should be the other way round. There is very few reasons if any to touch master gain ever.
HOther than that, nothing jumps my eye, that could be related to your issue with the F4.....
HFrom a gameplay approach. Is there a particular speed and power setting (afterburner perhaps) where the uncommanded pitch up is particularly pronounced? Are you loaded heavily or lightly with fuel/weapons?
HAnother side note regarding the special options for the F-4. You can set the FFB gain for pitch and roll above 100 (up to 500 iirc).
EAs mentioned I'm new and I'm trying a bunch of things out.
EAs soon as I load into a clean jet
HYou mean in an air start? What happen when you start from the ground?
HJust a random idea. There is a setting like "match controls at mission start" or something along those lines in the game options. What have you set there? Does it make a difference if you change it?
EGood question, I'll have a go
SWhy you have the y axis disabled and y motor offline?
SOh, right 
H@EnvyC I totally missed that you only use FFB pedals. Has nothing to do with pitch problems then of course (assuming you haven't bound the pitch axis to the pedals 
). Doesn't make much sense the to search in VP config for the culprit then..... maybe it is the combination of FFB on with a spring loaded stick that get's the F-4 confused. Rather unique to use FFB-pedals and no FFB stick......
). Doesn't make much sense the to search in VP config for the culprit then..... maybe it is the combination of FFB on with a spring loaded stick that get's the F-4 confused. Rather unique to use FFB-pedals and no FFB stick......