Somethings very wrong with this setup ... Motors start randomly, most of the times at the first plug

Somethings very wrong with this setup ... Motors start randomly, most of the times at the first plugin, then if i unplug they wont start.
PCB Interface wont work most of the times - buttons not recognized etc
what t he hell is wrong ?

BBruh'gdan Somethings very wrong with this setup ... Motors start randomly, most of the tim...

TheAmazinGreat•10/29/24, 4:28 PM

Have you tried loading the default rhino profile?

Bruh'gdanOP•10/29/24, 4:29 PM

jup...nothing happens. The motor issue i assume its the Capacitors of the PSU still having some undervoltage, but too less.
The 5 pin WinWing Adapter, well wired like here, not working:

Bruh'gdanOP•10/29/24, 4:37 PM

and after pressing the E-Stop, nothing will start up...

Bruh'gdanOP•10/29/24, 4:38 PM

so for now, sorry to say, this is a expensive piece of trash :/

TheAmazinGreat•10/29/24, 4:48 PM

What does the debug tab show? Are you hearing beeps from the board when applying power? What power supply are you using? Have you checked supply voltage?

BBruh'gdan Somethings very wrong with this setup ... Motors start randomly, most of the tim...

TheAmazinGreat•10/29/24, 5:03 PM

The numbers on the left side in this picture is what mine looks like when it has been powered on and then off. Vbus is showing 0.02V so looks like a power supply issue to me.

TTheAmazinGreat The numbers on the left side in this picture is what mine looks like when it ha...

Bruh'gdanOP•10/29/24, 5:06 PM

thats what i am assuming aswell. PSU is
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07WJTBF9R

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BBruh'gdan so for now, sorry to say, this is a expensive piece of trash :/

Bruh'gdanOP•10/29/24, 5:06 PM

i might be the trash aswell

BBruh'gdan thats what i am assuming aswell. PSU is https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07WJTBF9R

TheAmazinGreat•10/29/24, 5:10 PM

How have you wired the power to the main board?

Bruh'gdanOP•10/29/24, 5:29 PM

PSU + -> E-Stop C pin
E-Stop NC -> Board +
PSU - -> Board -

Bruh'gdanOP•10/29/24, 5:30 PM

and the PSU, I assume is AC

TheAmazinGreat•10/29/24, 5:48 PM

If you have a multimeter you could check voltage at the board to make sure you are getting 19.5V to the input terminals. Careful poking around with the probes not to short anything.

Reed•10/29/24, 7:09 PM

having issues since latest update virpil alpha grip constellation. button 18 is now pressed when buttons 19 and 20 are pressed. i didnt have this yesterday before lstest update. @walmis

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:04 PM

Hi. I am connecting F-14 VKB grip to the blackbox through adapter. VKB device config says it needs to calibrate controler, but nothing happens afterwards. Any ideas what am I doing wrong? Also, it shows grip as "VKB sim gunfighter vintage"

ZZuger Hi. I am connecting F-14 VKB grip to the blackbox through adapter. VKB device co...

Col. Sanders•10/29/24, 10:09 PM

Need to click default to reset the grip type. Calibrate by clicking and moving all the buttons then end the calibration. Should be good to go. I switch between the mgcu, f-14 and KG12 grips.

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:11 PM

May I ask, where is this "default"?

Col. Sanders•10/29/24, 10:13 PM

Vkb software should be a big red button on the left in the tools tab.

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:18 PM

Went through all of the buttons, ended calibration. Still no success, no buttons seams to work in test tab

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:19 PM

It's weird, because the app recognized stick in "external devices" as the KG12 grip, altough i have F-14

Col. Sanders•10/29/24, 10:28 PM

Make sure you click up above in the box the grip name. Then click the default it will reset it to show the F14 grip and prompt the calibration.

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:30 PM

I have selected it, but after clicking default it stays the same

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:34 PM

It prompts calibration, but finishing it doesn't do anything

Col. Sanders•10/29/24, 10:35 PM

Try updating the firmware.

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:36 PM

Downloaded it today, so that's the newest verion

Col. Sanders•10/29/24, 10:37 PM

Ya, something is wrong. The default should reset it to recognize the new grip.

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:41 PM

Okay, so I had to flash new firmware for the grip, altough besides owning Mk.1 blackbox, I had to use Mk.2 setup. Weird, but now it found it right away. Thanks for help!

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:42 PM

In case if anyone needs this in the future, I own the Mk.IV (rev. C) grip

Col. Sanders•10/29/24, 10:45 PM

And I apologize when I said update firmware I was referring to the grip. Sorry I was not clear on that.

Zuger•10/29/24, 10:55 PM

No problem, thank you again

x4253•10/29/24, 11:56 PM

Hi all, i have received my unit today, and ran into an issue.
I connected the base via USB and via the power brick that came with the unit. My computer can see the device and I was able to update the firmware via the website, but when I turn the red knob, the motors stay offline. Also, stick movements are not detected.
I tried reconnecting (red knob down, disconnect power, disconnect in windows, remove USB and then reconnect), but that didn't help.
It however seems to put the motors on active, and then directly puts them into timeout (see screenshot).
I also tested the voltage of the power brick and it seems to work - however, I don't have another unit here test if it might be the brick or not.
Anybody an idea what I can do?

Col. Sanders•10/30/24, 12:00 AM

Just to clarify you are saying you push the stop down to turn off and twist up to turn back on.

x4253•10/30/24, 12:00 AM

yes

f14billy•10/30/24, 2:00 AM

Do you hear a beep when you press or turn the emergency knob? The only way I was able to recreate your issue is by plugging my rhino to the USB port with the emergency stop button pressed down or with the power supply disconnected. If you tested the power supply with a multimeter and you get the right voltage my guess is that the emergency stop button isn't working correctly.

f14billy•10/30/24, 2:02 AM

Your Vbus is at 0v so the board isn't getting any power from the power supply. There you should be seeing the same voltage you get from the power supply with the multimeter.

nz aviator•10/30/24, 3:15 AM

I having a imilar issue. No power to my rhino I have tried 2 power supplies. E stop Does nothing

f14billy•10/30/24, 4:11 AM

If you feel comfortable with taking the bottom and the wall in front of the e stop to check the wiring you could do that and see if the black cable going to the board and the red cable going to the e stop and from the e stop to the board are connected. You can also use a multi tester to carefully check the voltage before and after the e stop.

f14billy•10/30/24, 4:21 AM

Maybe the wall in front of the e stop can come off without taking the bottom off. This is what you would see:

f14billy•10/30/24, 4:21 AM

f14billy•10/30/24, 4:22 AM

Hopefully the issue is just that one of the red cables going to the e stop got disconnected and you just need to reconnect it as shown in the picture.

nz aviator•10/30/24, 4:29 AM

Yup that was the issue back up in action

Xx4253 Hi all, i have received my unit today, and ran into an issue. I connected the b...

Bruh'gdanOP•10/30/24, 8:00 AM

This is exactly what happens with mine (Protomaker) after I press the E-stop. It just wont come back online afterwards, and it need to wait like 5 Minutes. Capacitors anywhere ?
Directly connected to the Board it works, but i dont want the E-stop removed. This is the one i have:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0DFQ4TL8K?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

Might it be that i connected it wrong ?

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Ff14billy Do you hear a beep when you press or turn the emergency knob? The only way I was...

x4253•10/30/24, 9:19 AM

Thank you for the reply. I have solved the issue (e.g., the unit works now), and it is weirder than I thought. Here the full solution (in the hopes that it will one day help somebody with a similar issue) - tldr at the bottom:

There was nothing wrong with the unit!

Stuff I tried before calling it a day and went to sleep (was already 1 am when I posted here on discord):
*I connected the unit directly to a USB Port of my computer (instead of connecting it to a powered USB Hub)
*Dug up a barrel jack adapter kit and connected the PSU of my old gaming laptop to the unit

None of these things helped.

This morning, when I turned on the ceiling lights in my office (where my rig is) it triggered the main residual-current circuit breaker e.g., power in my house was out.
The culprit was an LED ceiling lamp that kicked the bucket somewhen yesterday (when I took the plastic cover off the lamp, the smell of dead electronics greeted me).

So now I had a suspicion: The previous owner probably ran the outlet I connected the Unit to through the ceiling lamp that kicked the bucket.

I connected the PSU of the unit to a different outlet that was confirmed not connected through the ceiling lamp and it worked.

So some key observations:
*When I checked the voltage of the PSU with a multi-meter, I did that in the workshop (next to the office) because that is where the multi-meter was.
*I had my phone charger connected to said outlet before I connected the Rhino to it, and it did charge my phone. So before the ceiling lamp died, there was still a tiny bit of voltage coming through. However, I was already wondering the past few days why my phone charges so slowly (blamed the old battery for it and didn’t bother to investigate further).

So, and now I am off to buy a new ceiling lamp.

TLDR: It wasn’t the Rhino that wasn’t working, it was a faulty outlet

BBruh'gdan This is exactly what happens with mine (Protomaker) after I press the E-stop. It...

TheAmazinGreat•10/30/24, 10:32 AM

If it works directly connected to the board but not the e-stop, it sounds like the e-stop is the problem. If you got a two pack try the other one, or try a different brand.

TheAmazinGreat•10/30/24, 10:33 AM

Maybe if you soldered it, you melted the terminals to lose contact. Or it’s just bad from the factory. Could be a lot of things.

Xx4253 Thank you for the reply. **I have solved the issue** (e.g., the unit works now),...

Bob Bushman•10/30/24, 10:48 AM

I would also get that socket rewired...

BBob Bushman I would also get that socket rewired...

x4253•10/30/24, 10:53 AM

I will most likely deal with the whole wiring this weekend since it's quite the mess. Whoever did the wiring here loved black wires. Ground? Black. Neutral? Black. Live? You guessed it, Black.

Bob Bushman•10/30/24, 10:53 AM

x4253•10/30/24, 10:54 AM

I shall call it roulette: electric (literally) boogaloo

Bob Bushman•10/30/24, 10:58 AM

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Tenor

R7-Cedar•10/30/24, 12:57 PM

I changed rubber bump stop for joystick and re-calibrated it and stored settings for each config files. I might have done something wrong and now the dcs generated force are not being reflected, and while I was trying few config files from back up folder and calibration again, the virtual center of Y axis went way forward(3283) and doesn't get fixed by re-calibration despite the center value says 2546. I tried to load firmware default on configurator. This time the vjoy related error was not seen on dcs.log. Any help will be appreciated.

Somethings very wrong with this setup ... Motors start randomly, most of the times at the first plug

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