We're seeing a lot more functionality from pages coming over to workers, but from what I'm hearing "

We're seeing a lot more functionality from pages coming over to workers, but from what I'm hearing "pages is not going away"

I certainly think that you get more out of the box with workers, but to Chaika's point, assets in workers is still in beta

Ttexan We're seeing a lot more functionality from pages coming over to workers, but fro...

Bonadio•10/31/24, 3:44 PM

Thanks

elpupper•10/31/24, 3:49 PM

hey. are workers presistent?

Eelpupper hey. are workers presistent?

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:49 PM

in what way?

CChaika in what way?

elpupper•10/31/24, 3:50 PM

storage wise

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:50 PM

What you store in memory/global? no
File system? They don't have any

elpupper•10/31/24, 3:50 PM

whats the latency like with r2?

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:50 PM

There's other CF products you use instead via bindings, such as KV or R2

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:50 PM

or D1

Eelpupper whats the latency like with r2?

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:50 PM

depends a lot on what region you make your r2 bucket in

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:50 PM

..and where your worker is running

CChaika depends a lot on what region you make your r2 bucket in

elpupper•10/31/24, 3:50 PM

i thought its all "edge"

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:51 PM

yes but no

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:51 PM

lol, your r2 bucket exists in a specific region and only stays in that region

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:51 PM

you can throw CDN on top via R2 Custom Domains and cache stuff on edge/anywhere

elpupper•10/31/24, 3:51 PM

:pepethink:

CChaika lol, your r2 bucket exists in a specific region and only stays in that region

elpupper•10/31/24, 3:52 PM

same with workers?

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:52 PM

Workers run everywhere

elpupper•10/31/24, 3:52 PM

:pepethink:

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:52 PM

region: Global
Unless you turn on smart placement or something, they'll always run in the same cf location, close to the user, as the user is routed to

elpupper•10/31/24, 3:53 PM

what about cloudflare pages

Eelpupper what about cloudflare pages

Chaika•10/31/24, 3:54 PM

Pages Functions are just Workers under the hood, Pages Assets are stored with KV, which exists in two central locations and then is cached on edge. Same for Workers Static Assets

elpupper•10/31/24, 3:55 PM

:pepethink:

elpupper•10/31/24, 3:55 PM

thank you for this valuable information

elpupper•10/31/24, 3:56 PM

i will be back for more

CChaika Pages Functions are just Workers under the hood, Pages Assets are stored with KV...

elpupper•10/31/24, 4:00 PM

so whats the latency like with KV or R2 with workers in the same region?

Spunkie•10/31/24, 4:03 PM

How does CF cname flattening work with CF proxying and workers?

If I flatten a cname will my worker never trigger because the response the DNS gives will cause the request to just skip cloudflares network?

Eelpupper so whats the latency like with KV or R2 with workers in the same region?

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:07 PM

R2 can be pretty quick, it's not the most consistent performance though. I think ~100ms or so uncached to R2, like EWR/ORD to ENAM bucket on average is around that. Just using workers binding and not cache.

If you use cache, either with r2 custom domain or cache binding, of course gets super quick, like under 40-50ms from all locations as long as you hit cache

KV is more complex. You don't have region control, the two central stores are always EU/US. Cached it's great, espec after recent perf changes, maybe knock off 10ms from what r2 cached would be. Uncached is more complex since no region control.

They both serve very different purposes though, KV is eventually consistent, infrequent updates, lots of writes, R2 is strongly consistent, more mixed usage

SSpunkie How does CF cname flattening work with CF proxying and workers? If I flatten a...

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:07 PM

Worker Custom Domains or Routes?

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:07 PM

well -- you can't modify custom domains regardless afaik, and enabling flattening on proxied records wouldn't do anything

elpupper•10/31/24, 4:08 PM

40-50 :pepethink:

CChaika Worker Custom Domains or Routes?

Spunkie•10/31/24, 4:08 PM

ah ya.. I guess it would not work because a the cname would just get replaced by a cname for the worker

Eelpupper 40-50 :pepethink:

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:08 PM

I'm counting end to end from my perf monitoring, from the worker it's only going to be ~10ms or so I'd imagine

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:08 PM

err actually I think I have that data lol

CChaika I'm counting end to end from my perf monitoring, from the worker it's only going...

elpupper•10/31/24, 4:08 PM

10 ms :pepethink:

fry69•10/31/24, 4:09 PM

As far as I understand CNAME flattening only remove intermediary CNAME pointer records and the CF nameservers respond directly with A/AAAA records?

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:09 PM

yes which happens anyway when proxied

Spunkie•10/31/24, 4:10 PM

routes don't cause a cname to be applied, only custom domains ya?

CChaika err actually I think I have that data lol

elpupper•10/31/24, 4:10 PM

u would be an absolute life saver if u do

Eelpupper 10 ms :pepethink:

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:10 PM

r2 cached, timing in worker

CChaika r2 cached, timing in worker

elpupper•10/31/24, 4:11 PM

how big is your data?

elpupper•10/31/24, 4:11 PM

the file you requested

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:11 PM

10kb

elpupper•10/31/24, 4:11 PM

:pepethink:

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:11 PM

I don't think size is too much of a factor though, once you get it streaming -- it well streams back at pretty decent speeds

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:12 PM

r2 uncached from enam region to enam bucket

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:13 PM

KV's pretty solid

SSpunkie routes don't cause a cname to be applied, only custom domains ya?

Spunkie•10/31/24, 4:13 PM

@Chaika sorry I confused myself but to be clear, a CNAME that is proxied and flattened can or can not be intercepted by a worker with a route setup to catch something on that cname/subdomain?

SSpunkie @Chaika sorry I confused myself but to be clear, a CNAME that is proxied and fla...

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:13 PM

flattening shouldn't matter at all, not even sure why it shows up on proxied records currently

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:14 PM

Proxy inherently needs to unflatten it to connect, as the client sure can't

SSpunkie @Chaika sorry I confused myself but to be clear, a CNAME that is proxied and fla...

Chaika•10/31/24, 4:14 PM

So the answer is yes* as long as you're not CNAMEing to a CF for SaaS partner on the legacy integration like Shopify

We're seeing a lot more functionality from pages coming over to workers, but from what I'm hearing "

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