AI have zero interest in the viggen honestly
ANo my plans were to make a left hand F16 grip, but I wanted to explore exactly what that module is capable of, how many buttons etc. If it can do a good number of buttons might do a collective
AApache cyclic, stuff like that
AI've got the 3D models to make everything work, I could just do an arduino, but wanted to see if this was an option fora more plug and play solution.
KWell that's your loss. But still a guy called Troll just did a home brew Viggen stick that is compatible with the Virpil base. You could check with him?
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FRhino has arrived soon to be tested 
BHi guys, any tips for setting the Rhino up for the F-4 in DCS? I'm finding flying level and air refueling a complete nightmare. The aircraft seems so unstable in pitch and much too light for my preference. I've set the FFB gain in the F4 special options to 200% for roll and pitch but looking for something better. Any tips?
FDo you have adaptive recentering active in the configurator?
BHmmm, not sure. Let me check
FThat setting is a must for keeping the stick centered and helps with straight and level flight and autopilot.
BOk, yeh it was off. I've put it on now. Gonna check how it feels.
BThat was much better. Thank you. Managed to plug in instantly and stay plugged in. It handles much better now. I wonder what else I can change to make it even better.
BI'm curious if you utilize their nice looking extension (Tianhang) with your Rhino. I need to figure out how to make that work - just ordered both of them. Too nice looking to pass up. Maybe I'll need to install that Rhino throw limiter...
ZI do, just know that its not an exact 1 to 1 replica of the real extension, but still really nice.
rougly a 170cm extension, and the paddle switch sits a bit lower than real life
rougly a 170cm extension, and the paddle switch sits a bit lower than real life
BLooks great. I am curious how close it will come to my center console in my pit, but I’m not pushing forward on the stick often so likely ok. Thanks for the pics. I’m excited to make the change.
Zill send you a pm to the tianhang discord server, i have several videos/photos showing the grip and all the switch sounds, youll just have to be patient for the wait now though haha!
BAppreciate it!
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IFAQ states that Rhino produces 9N of force which equates to 5 kg of force. Any conversion table I looked up states 1 N =0.1kg so 9N =1 kg of force. So I am curios about how math was used to calculate 5 kg of force from 9 N of force? Thank you!
HWhen converting torque into force you need to take the lever into account, which is < than 1m and therefore amplifies the force (/.2)
Hits 9 Nm(!)
HHow much pull force in kg you get depends on the overall length of your lever. (Axis of rotation to middle of hand)
H5 kg is without any additinal extension and an average flight grip
H(also a bit of smartassing: Newton is the unit of force, kg the unit of mass. What we really mean when we talk about kgs in this context is the equivalent force that a mass of 1 kg excerts in 1 G, which is ~9.8N) 
Fto add: you're missing the m in the 9 Nm. This means torque at an axis. To go from torque to force you need to divide by the length of a lever, in this case ~.180m. or 18cm. So in this case we get 49N at the grip. This is ~5kg
IThank you guys for clarifying the meter part. Now math makes sense. 
RLoved it
VCan I buy a board +license without motors? I already own a Rhino, and I want to build another one (dont ask). I already have the motors though, I would just need a controller. The one on the website is really cheap and is listed as "replacement", so I assume this is meant to replace an existing board if it breaks, iow, its just the PCB without a firmware license. Im fine paying for the firmware, its what makes this stick magic, but Id rather not pay for 2 motors I dont need. Can I order a "kit without motors"?
WYou can just grab the replacement board if you already have the motors 
VSeriously? Thats going to be one cheap rhino. You should charge more for the board+firmware. Do I have to / can I change firmware settings to configure which motors Im using, or if I decide to build a rudder first, that its a Z axis controller?
FI hope you know you need the vp motors if you want to use the board, it has its own controllers
Vah, the motors are not "default"? In that case, I guess I dont have the motors yet lol
FHaha, I made the same mistake that's why I warned
VMay be an idea to make that a little more clear. Also, I dont see spare motors listed, if these motors are customized, that may be required one day. Or if I want to upgrade to stronger ones. I suppose shelling out 25 euro for a new board as well isnt the end of the world though.
FIf you want a spare motor just message walmis, he is really chill about things like that
A@walmis I have been contemplating about this too. I have an exsting VPForce 86BLF03 setup. Could I transplant its electronics to a generic 86BLF04 motor, or is it not compatible?
WNo it would break the motor profiling/calibration. Each driver is tuned to the specific motor
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FChristmas rhinos getting pumped
Gmine is currently in Cologne ... it's going to be a very good christmas
FI cant figure out a way to mount mine without spending a grand on a chair
ADesk and floor mounting might be options.
The latter could be pretty simple; sufficiently large sheet of sturdy material, 4 mounting points for the Rhino.
The latter could be pretty simple; sufficiently large sheet of sturdy material, 4 mounting points for the Rhino.
FYeah floor was the plan but bunch of issues came up with that
Fstick Has to sit pretty far forward so that it has enough clearance from the chair to pull back, but that makes it less ergonomic, and i have to be far away from my desk, then i cant use my mouse to click things,
